TheFutureIsNear

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 09:49 AM) Unsexy, but effective offseason mock: -Resign Alexei to a 1 yr, $7 MM deal -Resign Soto to a 1 yr $8 MM deal -Trade Erik Johnson for Martin Prado -Trade Carlos Sanchez and Tyler Danish for Neil Walker -Sign Trevor Cahill to 2 yr, $7 MM deal CF Eaton 3B Prado 1B Abreu DH LaRoche RF Thompson LF Cabrera 2B Walker SS Ramirez C Flowers BE Saladino BE A. Garcia BE Soto BE M. Johnson SP Sale SP Quintana SP Rodon SP Danks SP Montas/Cahill CL Robertson SU Jones SU Montas/Cahill RP Duke RP Petricka RP Putnam RP Phillips Looks like we MIGHT be able to go from 3rd worst offense in all of baseball to about...6th worst. I appreciate that you kept it realistic and not trying to bash you, but if that's what the FO decides to do this offseason we might as well start trading guys to start the rebuild now. I don't see the above being any more than an 80 win team.

Dodgers wouldn't be a bad option for Q if they lose Greinkie somehow. Austin Barnes, Alex Guerrero and Jose Peraza would be nice to add to our offense/defense. We could also add a very good pitching prospect to replace Q in the future from their system. Urias would be the obvious 1 to shoot for but Jose De Leon and Grant Holmes also have a very bright future.

If we are trading Q we need BOTH quantity and quality. We need way more than 1 hitter so a 1 for 1 swap does nothing for us. Minimum 2 everyday position players that are capable of playing next year would have to be included.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 05:17 PM) I still think the Sox and Rangers line up really well. Q for a package revolving around Mazara, Profar (if his medicals check out), and Ortiz would have me interested. Can't imagine the Rangers are trading basically their farm system for 2 lefty pitchers in the span of like 6 or 7 months. Crazier things have happened and that package of prospects would certainly entice me, but I'd be pretty shocked if the Rangers came calling if we did/do make Q available

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 04:29 PM) If the White Sox are trading Sale or Q and not denting a team's talent really badly, they didn't make a good trade. My point was that the d backs have a lot of talent in areas of need for us.

The Dbacks still make the most sense to me if theyre making a hard push for pitching. David Peralta, Jake Lamb, and Peter O'Brien would be a nice main package (maybe a B level SP prospect as well) for us in my opinion and wouldn't really dent their talent with Tomas and Drury ready to step in and start in RF and 3B.

The article is dead on...without acquiring position players (3 or 4) this team is never going to win. We might be able to swing 1 in a trade with the few prospects we do have, but that's not doing anything for us. Seems to be a lot of denial going on about how bad of shape this franchise is actually in. Hopefully we don't just overpay for more free agents and put ourselves into purgatory even further. Something big needs to be done and young pitchers like Q are the only cards Hahn has to play. It's an unfortunate reality.

Posted this in another thread...these are some guys that interest me and that make sense to be somewhat expendable for them OF- Preston Tucker- Probably never going to be an all-star but he was a very successful college player and has a .294/.363/.503 triple slash in the minors since '12 and hit 13 HR's and a .734 OPS in his 1st 320 PA's in the majors. 25 year old LH corner OF with a little experience at 1B as well LJ Hoes- Another guy that has some flaws and probably won't ever be great, but he's another 25 year old who was a fairly high pick who has extended success in the high minors....299/.388/.399 over 1300 PA's in AAA. Above average speed with 26 steals in AAA this year. Has played all 3 OF positions after being converted from a 2B earl in his career. Derek Fisher- Comp round pick in '14 after leading Virginia to the CWS. Has a very smooth left handed swing that should carry him, but also has + speed. Slashed .275/.364 /.483 with 22 home runs this year in his 1st full season of pro ball across A and A+ INF- Colin Moran(3B)- Former 6th overall pick that Miami curiously traded. His power still hasn't showed up but he keeps making good contact and getting on base. .306/.381/.459 at AA this year. JD Davis(3B)- 3rd round pick in '14 as a 2 way player out of Cal State Fulerton. Astros made him a hitter and he's settled in nicely as a 3B hitting .289/.370/.520 with 26 HR's in A+. Great athlete with a real nice swing that should have no problem translating at any level Pitchers- Michael Feliz- Failed a drug test coming out of the DR and the Astros scooped him up and he's been great ever since. Saw some inning in the majors this year after dominating in the minors. A 6'4 225 lb righty with a fastball in the mid 90's and a power slider. Joe Musgrove- Another big righty at 6'5 255 with a mid 90's fastball. 1.88 across 100 minor league innings this year ending in AA. And that's that even including their obviously really good prospects like AJ Reed, Kyle Tucker, Mark Appel, Alex Bregman, and Daz Cameron

QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 16, 2015 -> 10:12 AM) Yeah, Melky has negative trade value and Robertson is good but too expensive to give up players for. If the plan is to chop as much salary as possible and test the youth, that's fine, but don't expect much back for those two. If Robertson were on the open market a team would have to pony up more than the 3 years $36M that is left on his deal. I don't think his contract would be hard to convince a closer needy team to take on at all. Are we getting multiple top prospects for him? Most likely not, but I don't think 2 B level prospects outside the tam's top 6 or 7 without having to eat any money is unreasonable to assume. Now, I highly doubt Robertson actually gets moved, but I don't doubt there would be suitors once there is a team or 2 that loses out on trying to trade for Chapman.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 14, 2015 -> 11:40 AM) Again, why would the Rockies, or anyone, want LaRoche... Because they'd probably rather pay a guy to actually play for them rather than just give us cash. There's no way we should/would take on Cargo's entire contract. Adding Laroche would just be a way of evening out the contracts a little

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 08:03 PM) You can get way more back for Quintana Peralta hit .312/.371/.522 last year and he's pre arb. He's got a lot of value himself. With that said, I originally was going to have Randall Delgado in the trade as well for a young power arm in the pen.

The only deal the Rockies MIGHT do would be the Cargo deal if we are taking his entire contract. Revisiting a trade with The DBacks makes the most sense to me. Pollack, Inciarte, Peralta, Goldschmidt, Tomas, Drury, Lamb. They can only play 5 of those 7 and they obviously aren't trading Goldy, probably not Pollack, and Tomas wouldn't make sense either. That leaves us possibly targeting 1 or possibly even 2 of Inciarte, Peralta, Drury, and Lamb. Peralta and Lamb for Q and Micah?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) If you are that worried about Erik Johnson, you are overrating him., I'll take EJ over Shark next year no problem. I think EJ is going to surprise some people. Not saying Cy Young or anything obviously, but I can definitely see him giving us 200 innings of 3.8-4.2ish era production next year.

-Trade Montas and Avi fto Miami for Ozuna and Nick Wittgren- Ozuna is the young, cost controlled OF with pop we need. Wittgren is a former college closer out of Purdue who has continued his success as a closer into AAA this past year. Scouts don't love his stuff to stick at closer, but should still have a long future as a solid reliever. -Trade Micah Johnson to AZ for Jake Lamb. Arizona has 3 good, young OF's, Goldschmidt, Drury, and Lamb and nowhere to play the expensive Tomas. Moving 1 of these guys for middle infield help makes a lot of sense. -Trade LaRoche and $5M to Pittsburgh for a C level prospect -sign Dioner Navarro to platoon with flowers -Sign Steve Pearce as utility/dh -Resign Alexei for 2 years and 6 or 7 mil per (didn't want to do this but middle infield really is bare) Eaton CF Melky LF Ozuna RF Abreu 1B Pearce DH Lamb 3B Alexei SS Flowers/Navarro C Sanchez/Saladino 2B Navarro/Flowers, Sanchez/Saladino, Trayce, and Shuck on the bench Sale Q Rodon EJ Danks Beck Wittgren Jennings Petricka Duke Jones Robertson

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 03:28 PM) Last I checked saving a run defensively is equal to creating a run offensively. Defense definitely shouldn't be least of our worries, it's just as important as improving the offense. So let's build a team and try to win every game 3-1? Never going to work. If we played in the NL west, maybe, but If we don't put up at least 100 more runs than we did last year it doesn't matter if we have a gold glover at every position.

3rd least runs scored and 4th lowest team OPS in all of baseball. Obviously there needs to be a balance, but defense would be the least of my worries if I'm Hahn. We play in a hitter friendly park in the AL, if we put these proposed defensive minded lineups of Eaton and Trayce in the same OF every night we are going to keep putting up putrid offensive #'s and have no shot. Just at a glance I see teams like Houston, Pit, and Texas getting by just fine without doing very well on D...at least according to these #'s.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 11:29 AM) Sox have never been afraid of moving an arm they want to get out in front of. McCarthy and Santiago both come to mind. Johnson was incredible in AAA though so maybe they can sell him off that. His stats look very good but they really don't do him he justice. He was the best pitcher on a rate basis as well as on a prolific basis. Knowing how Hahn operates, Johnson was getting scouted when he pitched in September. Given the spontaneity of pitchers (relative to hitters), I would prefer the Sox move pitching for young bats and sign lower tier SP(s) like Y2Jimmy0 suggested. The offensive landscape in FA lacks fits outside of the top guys who's price rules them out. It's interesting, the Sox have never really bought pitching ever. Obviously they excel in making pitching, but they've never even signed even a mid tier SP since who? Jamie Navarro? They've filled out the rotation with scrap heap guys like Paulino, Humber, old Freddy, old Colon and if you want to go back far enough Esteban Loaiza. Sox are probably looking at E. Johnson, Quintana, Montas and maybe Fulmer as the guys to potentially move to fix the offense. It seems like they want to move Johnson, and they've never been that outwardly confident about him, but past him, I think whoever they move is dependent on return more than the individual pitcher but I hear the Sox are considering anything and everything. There's an argument that all four guys could be at the height of their value too. Johnson was just best pitcher in AAA. Quintana is 9th in fWAR since 2012. Montas coming off the last season he'll have a Mid tier options: Fister Latos Rich Hill Brett Anderson Cliff Lee Scrap heap types: Beachy Cahill Bud Norris Unless he is a small piece in a bigger package what are we really getting for EJ though? Probably not much. And then you are talking about adding at least 8-12 mil to the payroll for a guy who will probably put up a very similar output to what EJ would have given us. Unless we can somehow get a talented MLB ready OF/3B under 26 for a package centered around EJ it just seems like an expensive, roundabout way to try and get better. IDK, maybe I'm just more confident than most in Johnson's ability to be a very good #4 starter next year and beyond. Montas, on the other hand, I can see trading. He doesn't have an immediate role and every year he pitches in the minors you risk injury or a drop in value somehow. A near MLB ready, heard throwing SP who was a top 60 overall prospect should have pretty good value imo. And obviously I've already stated my 2 cents on the necessity of trading a guy like Quintana if we want to seriously compete next year.

Frazier makes a lot of sense and I think that we can acquire him without giving up a ton. Montas and Micah would be a good start to the package for both teams imo

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 09:16 AM) I think it would be a terrible time to trade him. If he has any kind of reasonable success in 2016, his trade value would be 10X what it is now. Agreed. Makes 0 sense to trade EJ right now. Not only in terms of him not being at his highest value (which he's clearly not), but who the heck would be a right handed starter for us next year? Trade EJ for whatever middle of the road value he has and then sign a mediocre veteran for 10 million? Why?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 08:24 AM) This is exactly how I feel about the Quintana situation. Tom Fornelli does an excellent job here: http://www.writesox.com/2015/11/jose-quint...ade-rumors.html I was against trading Q for a while, but I've come to grips with the fact that we aren't going to get the help we need without trading a significant piece. As of right now we have Eaton, Abreu and Melky as position players that are above average major league players. That's pretty depressing to think about. And who's coming to help in house any time soon besides (hopefully) Anderson? Do I want to see Q traded? Absolutely not, he's 1 of the better young lefties in the game. But I also REALLY don't want to see us to sign some overpaid, mediocre vets and suffer through another 80 win season. Maybe there is another way, but I think it will be really though and take at least 1, probably 2, rebuilding years.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 10:29 AM) Doesn't the home run derby tend to mess up guys? There's an argument to be made that it can affect a guys swing for a couple months afterwards, sure. But to think that there is any long term affect is stupid. Ortiz, Prince, Cano, Cespedes, Cespedes...the last 5 winners before Frazier. Would you pass on any of those guys?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 09:07 AM) 2nd half OPS around .650 Really stilted home/road splits 2 years of control No way should we trade 2 of our best prospects for that Why do people insist on using Frazier's bad 2nd 1/2 as some huge point not to acquire him? Like I'm supposed to disregard 4 1/2 years of .784 OPS hitting from a guy who is 29 just because he had a bad couple of months playing meaningless baseball for a crappy team? Just a really bad argument.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 06:02 PM) Now that you mention it, I think I read something during the deadline that the Astros are very high on Reed so leaving him out was probably a smart move since they are likely not to include him in any trade. For me, Joe Musgrove is the arm I would want back in a trade with the Astros. Big, big man that knows how to get GB outs. Would love to get him somehow. JD Davis is interesting as well. Big arm for 3B and plenty of power,although he K's quite a bit too. Call me crazy but I'd take a chance on Singleton as a throw in from the Astros. After enduring Dunn and now LaRoche, why not, lol. Good call on Singleton, completely forgot about him. He'd definitely be worth a shot as a 3rd/4th piece in a package. And while we are the topic of forgotten prospects...is Jonathan Villar not worth a shot at SS? I know he has Game changing speed but not sure how well his bat would fare over a full season or what his glove is like.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 05:00 PM) Good research on your part and I'm glad to see you mention Musgrove who fits the profile the sox would like in a pitcher.Only player you missed was AJ Reed, a big power hitting 1B that I'm sure the Sox would desire. Nice job. Thanks. I didn't list Reed because the Astros have no real 1st baseman and I figured they won't trade him. He's a monster though, I would gladly take him in a package lol. I tried to list the guys that make sense for them to try and move. Which is pretty impressive when none of those guys (including Reed) are in their top 4 prospects.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) I bet the Cardinals could use Q now that Lynn is on the shelf for all of 2016. The package would have to start with Stephen Piscotty IMO. He's going to be a star. I just don't see the Cardinals giving up a big package of prospects for 1 player...just not their style. They'll just find another guy out of nowhere to do great for them. They seem to do it every year without making big splashes.