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QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Feb 19, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) Yep Ha ha, found it! I remember when the incident happened I said " way to go Tony!". Always liked Tony for his attitude and hard nosed play. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-05...er-fan-schueler

RIP Tony! Wasn't it Phillips that went into the stands after being ejected and beat up a fan because the fan was calling Phillips racial slurs? I want to say it was in Milwaukee sometime in the early-mid 90's?

Well done with the sarcasm Calcanterra! That truely is a funny read. And here I thought the " best shape of my life " bit was reserved for middle aged folks.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 19, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) Her mother is a great woman. Very nice to me and everyone in the family. No issues there. Well, that's an encouraging sign.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 19, 2016 -> 09:39 AM) At the end of the day, there are tons of women out there, dont try to fit a square peg in a round hole. Yep, there's no shortage of women in the world. Finding someone that will accept you for who you are and not what they think you should be is what's important.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 19, 2016 -> 08:21 AM) A girl that young isnt for "dating" shes for banging, maybe. People arent really to be seriously dating at that age, but are really great at fighting and breaking up and then making up. So much truth in this post. Just ride the wave for however long it lasts while knowing that eventually it will end.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 19, 2016 -> 12:42 AM) She has a good job. I'm still currently in school, graduating in May. I'm researching what I want to do with my life lol. We actually made it work while going to 2 different schools too. We met at Aurora University, then I transferred after 2 years and were still kicking. Just now that we got older, she's expecting a ring and all that. Doesn't help that all our friends and their mothers are getting engaged/married. Yeah we have. I always say I'll try to live with her after graduation, but she won't accept that as an answer. She says I have money, you don't have to pay. Then I always say yeah, but you'll boss me around and say this is your place and la la la ect. Much like the sandwich thing lol. I make a great sandwich. I don't doubt she loves you but if she lectures you on how to spread Mayo, she sounds overbearing ( no disrespect intended). Next question is, what is her mother like? Does her mother boss her father around? There is something to be said about if you want to know what a woman will be like later in life, look at her mother is now. Not always true but in my personal experiences, it has proven to be pretty accurate and even scared the s*** out of me with a few women I dated years ago. The money part is what's alarming to me. Too many times, money is used in a relationship like baiting a rabbit with a carrot or offering a dog a cookie if it's good and jumps through the hoops. I hope that's not the case for you and your girlfriend.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 09:50 PM) No she didn't realize it. I just ignored her after that. It's been 5 years and she wants to get married within the next 2 and I just don't think I'm ready for that. On top of that, she wants to have kids before were 30 (we both just turned 24). I'm just not ready for all that right now and it's been 5 years, I do love and care about her, but it seems like we just want different things in our lives at this moment. It sucks. Damn, you're in a tough spot. Probably a silly question but have you both Sat down and tried to find some middle ground or is it pretty much about what she wants?

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) You liked her company but I really think you made the right call. You can find a girl that's more up to your speed and that will really help your relationship flourish. There are billions of people on the planet; there are multiple compatible partners for everyone if you ask me. Couldn't agree more, well said. Dating is a drag and for some, it takes for seemingly ever but worth it when the right one is eventually found.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 12:30 PM) Yeah, I started laughing and then she wanted to show me how to do it. I was just like, "are you serious right now?" Just insane. Wow man. You have more patience than I have. I can see why you dropped the knife and walked away.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) How long were you dating? I'm kind of in the same boat that everything I do is critiqued. I've been dating my girlfriend for 5 years and she wants to move in after I graduate in May, but I really don't want to because I don't have a job lined up yet and no money for rent on a place. Just last week she said I was spreading mayonnaise on my sandwich wrong. I dropped the knife and walked out of the kitchen. Holy s*** dude, seriously? Wow. That would absolutely drive me up the wall if my lady critiqued everything I did and she would have been gone a long time ago. Thankfully, she's not at all like that and we get along like two peas in a pod. Reading the stuff in this thread just makes me even more greatful for the relationship the little lady and I have.

I would absolutely fudge my Huggies if the Sox signed Hernandez! Would be a really good fit batting 2nd. Come on Hahn, make it happen.

QUOTE (MDWhiteSoxFan @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) Probably for the fact some just really want a move for an OF'er to be made. All off season we have been linked to every OF'er on the market. They all have signed elsewhere. At 1 point no one wanted Fowler but the fact he was the last one left makes it sting to some more. I didn't want him but he would have been a nice corner defender that gets on base at a high clip. He would fit nicely. I do hope we sign someone but I for one am not upset with losing out on the Fowler race. (Well reportedly losing out on the Fowler race). You hit it right on the head in this post, well done! At the beginning of the off season I wanted nothing to do with Fowler or Jackson but as time wore on and free agents signed elsewhere I began to realize that both Fowler and Jackson are upgrades over Avi so I accepted the possibilities. If Fowler signs in the suspected range of 3/45, I consider it a blessing that Baltimore signed him. That kind of contract, money and loss of a pick is not worth it, IMHO.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 08:17 AM) I really dont think this is the back breaker that people are thinking it is. Do i want Avi in right this season? No, not really. But I dont really feel like Fowler is the glue I do think the team is incomplete, but I dont think they are done. QUOTE (staxx @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 08:22 AM) This. I'm shocked at the negative reaction to this. I'm with you guys. Sure, Fowler would have been a nice addition but not signing him isn't the end of the world either. I still believe Hahn will pull something off to add more legitimate depth to the outfield. If not, I'm still very happy about the things accomplished this off season and I'm excited about the upcoming season.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 09:19 AM) This new Chicago Open Air Rock Festival at Toyota Park sounds awesome. I'm getting married that weekend though. Damn. Congrats on getting married, bummer that the festival is on the same weekend. There's some killer bands in the festival lineup that the lady and I both dig. Might have to get some tix!

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 06:52 PM) My friends that are D-Backs fans talked about how they didn't hurt their future. My response was that they did and even if they didn't think that, the package they gave up for Miller could have netted a lot better pitchers. No kidding? No offense to your friends but I don't think they realize what AZ gave up in that package. Call me crazy but I would have taken that package for Q, who is at least equally as good and comes with more years of control that should give Q surplus value over Miller.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 07:39 PM) You know I keep saying they're out of money. It's either that or there's a specific trade target they're going after. I've been thinking for a long while now that a trade is how the Sox find their upgrade. I still cling to some hope for Jackson but am not counting on it either. Cue the Ethier rumors!

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 07:08 PM) Jackson put up a 2.3 fWAR last year, while Avi put up a -1.1. That's a 3.4 fWAR differential, which is beyond substantial. I also think the Safeco is a plus, as plenty of guys have turned around after leaving Seattle. As for Jackson's role on the team, he'd be our CF with Eaton moving to RF. That's a significantly better defensive alignment than Cabrera-Eaton-Garcia. And I get you're an Avi fanboy, but there is nothing to suggest Avi will get materially better at this point in time. 1,100 career PA's and he's been worth a combined -1.9 fWAR, with no signs of improvement. We're talking about a a guy who is a horrific defender & poor base runner that also has no plate discipline. The odds of him ever hitting enough to account for his other shortcomings is incredibly small. You certaintly don't risk a legit shot at a division title over it. And I'm not even advocating dumping Avi, I'd like to see him as LaRoche's platoon partner and overall insurance policy at DH & LF. Nicely done!

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 06:46 PM) the assets are the opportunity cost. You're spending money and a roster spot and basically giving up on what could be an asset in the future -- Avi -- and for what? You're giving up flexibility that could be used on a much better upgrade later on. You guys that are pining for Jackson -- have you watched him play since he left Detroit? He's on the wrong side of 30 and put up a whopping 1.7 bWAR last year. Steamer projects him for 1.1 fWAR. He's no great shakes and you're asking him to play RF mostly, where he's played a total of 22 games in his career. The upgrade to go get is Fowler. That is a clear upgrade. Jackson is not worth the opportunity cost. Uh, Jackson just turned 29 on February 1st. Have you seen Avi's approach at the plate or seen him lumberjacking around RF? Neither are pretty sights to see. Despite Jackson's numbers, they are still improvements over Avi. Fowler's defense is nothing to write home about and neither was his BA against RHP last year. You say Avi is a future asset and the Sox should not sign Jackson but then you say the Sox should sign Fowler. What happens to Avi if the Sox sign Fowler? The same thing as if the Sox had signed Jackson. Look, neither one of those broads are swell lookers but both Jackson and Fowler are upgrades over Avi, which is the point.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 06:38 PM) Why would they give up assets for Austin Jackson? Austin Jackson's .5 to 1.5 WAR is not going to do jack s*** better to just tell Avi to sink or swim. If Avi is -2 WAR in June and the Sox are in contention then you bring in a guy like Jackson but not until then. Better to hold onto the assets and see how things look later on. If some stud 3-5 WAR OF was available then yea sure, fug Avi, but replacing Avi with Jackson is fools gold. The only assets Jackson would cost is money. Jackson defense alone is a big upgrade over Avi.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 12:14 PM) Would the Braves trade Markakis and some $$ for Danks? I think the Braves might do it straight up but I don't know if they would be willing to send money. I would love to have Markakis' bat in the #2 spot but the stuff I've been reading lately has been saying he's now better suited for LF due to his decreasing range and arm strength.

QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 10:25 AM) i hate to say this and think i am a yess sir kind of a person. i too what that CF'er to be way better at defense and if the production with the bat is there, then that is gravy. the defense up the middle and with a little extra hitting, plus all the improvement on the field, then count the latos being added to that pen...... how can anyone not get excited.... I think Latos ends up the Sox #3 starter to break up the lefties. I'm thinking we'll see an opening day rotation of Sale, Q, Latos, Rodon, Danks. I admit that I'm optimistic Latos will be healthy to start the season and Cooper will be helpful to Latos. Latos has some nasty stuff and I think a pitching coach like Cooper is the kind of coach a guy like Latos needs to get back on track. Plus, the Sox are good at keeping players healthy. As for Jackson, his CF defense would be a huge improvement. Even if the Sox stuck with Eaton in CF, Jackson's glove in RF is light years better than Avi's.

QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 10:11 AM) i will say this again, the bigger idea is to improve the team, to get the team to the playoff, so if loosing that QO, will hurt esp for me, i like following the draft, i understand, it to win now.... while the sox have the main core to do something. now, would there be much different in jackson vs fowler, so much more where fowler had to be the better choice?? Draft pick aside, imo, there's an equal amount of pros and cons between Fowler and Jackson. Look up their stats and compare for yourself. My preference is definitely Jackson over Fowler but I tend to value defense pretty heavily. Also, Fowler didn't hit RHP particularly well last year, and there's alot of RHP in the ALC.

Come on guys, were talking about trying to upgrade Avi, a high impact bat would be nice but not necessary to make the improvement.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 09:59 AM) Just keep in mind, if the Sox sign Fowler, losing that pick is $2 million in instant savings since they don't have that draft pick anymore. Red Lobster day at the Cell and JR is buying!!!