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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 09:34 AM) C'mon now, you know that's not what I mean. I'm just saying the early results aren't as promising as I would've hoped for. It's spring training. Lets wait until a few months into this season before rushing to judgement

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 09:02 AM) I know it's only been a handful of games and a small sample size, but I'm starting to worry a bit about Moncada's K rate. MLB pitchers are going to eat him alive if he doesn't improve. He needs reps A full season in AAA will go a long way towards helping him improve. We have to remember that Moncada is a prospect at this point, not a finished player

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 08:27 AM) Guys the Rockies are not going to trade their entire farm system and a starting outfielder (especially after losing one backup) because Ian Desmond broke his hand. My thoughts exactly That proposal is essentially the whole Rockies farm, which is nuts Rodgers / Hoffman / Murphy would be a huge haul for Quintana alone

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 04:02 PM) Exactly. If people are OK with the acquisition of Dunning then I don't see how anyone would object to Groome since they were both drafted in '16. I would be ecstatic to acquire a talent like Groome. Imo, there is no timeline when it comes to rebuilding an organization from the ground up. Get the best talent possible regardless of their age. Dunning is 22 years old and pitched in a major college program. He is much closer to being mlb ready than an 18 year old Groome. Completely different timelines between those two players I'm not saying anything against Groome, but he is a minimum of 4 years away from the majors

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 09:06 PM) David Robertson coming in for Team USA. Nationals have a scout in attendance. His Team USA stint could influence his trade market. @WBC https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/839647892621176833 Eh, possibly Teams will put more stock in early season performance than on exhibition games like this As long as he is healthy and pitching to his ability, Robertson will have some trade value

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 05:32 PM) CSN Chicago‏Verified account @CSNChicago 34m34 minutes ago #WhiteSox eyeing fifth or sixth game of season for Carlos Rodon's first start: http://bit.ly/2mHxl6f (@JJStankevitz) #WhiteSoxTalk Sox have done an outstanding job at keeping players healthy. Trust them to do the same moving forward. Why ride Riding hard in a rebuilt year? If much rather limit his innings to Dave good seem for when we are competitive again

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:42 PM) The value is they paid $62 million for the cheap years of service. If he turns into a star, they re-coup their investment easily. They get Sale for 3 years. To re-coup the $100 million can be done, but the overall surplus value is going to go down if Moncada is great. I really doubt other teams would have traded him had they made the same investment, but a lot of things lined up. Sale is cheap and great, and DD wasn't around when Moncada was added to their organization. I doubt most teams would have traded Moncada, except the Red Sox He would be an "untouchable" is any other system, lets be honest

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 08:21 AM) It is but since he jumped to the majors last year, AAA is the right level. For example, Anderson had about 250 AB at AAA before he jumped to majors. Another question for Moncada is how he progresses at 2nd since he got bounced around position wise last year as well. A full season at AAA would do him a ton of good As soon as he gets called up the pressure to perform at a high level will be very real. In AAA he can focus on development and not worry about being a franchise savior until he is ready

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 11:35 AM) I guess. The Red Sox must have not been compelled to put a third blue chip guy on the table if they knew their offer was already the best. It's just annoying. I like Basabe's potential but Diaz doesn't do much for me. He just seems like another bullpen arm. Even a guy like Travis or Dalbec in place of him would've made the deal much better. Did you know Diaz did not allow a single earned run over his last 22.2 innings pitched in the minors? He was rock solid in relief to close out the season and showed 22.2 ip 14 hits 11 bb 31 k's He seems to have really turned a corner and improving. Sox scouts undoubtedly noticed this and wanted him to be included in the Sale deal.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) This is the hidden excess value in Moncada that I think some tend to forget. Boston ate 62M between the contract, bonus and penalties to sign Moncada. You can bet DD pointed that out to Hahn during negotiations. Imo, Moncada's talent and 62M invested arguably give him the value of two top fifty prospects. There is a big bvalue gap between a "55" grade prospect and a "65" grade prospect like Moncada Moncada's ceiling is that of a superstar

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 10:54 AM) Yeah, Tampa is like Pitt in that they the prospects but I doubt they have the balls to actually go for it. I think it would take Adames, Honeywell, Bauers and Lowe for the Rays to get into the bidding. Adames + Honeywell would be a must Your proposed package is along the right lines of what it would take to land Quintana...a very steep price I'd want Jesus Sanchez included in any Tampa Bay deal. He's 19 and dripping with talent Austin Franklin is an interesting young arm Adames + Honeywell + any two of Bauers/Gillespie/Lowe/Sanchez/Franklin would be a nice package of talent for the White Sox Doubtful TB has the stones to pull off something like that though. They rely too heavily on their farm to stock the mlb roster to deplete it in a Q deal

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 10:49 AM) Uh...the Red Sox did before the trade. The Nationals before the Eaton deal as well, maybe the Dodgers, Brewers, Padres, Braves, and Yankees too. My point isn't that Hahn got robbed in this trade. Moncada and Kopech at the front end were great gets. I'm simply saying he probably could've gotten one more impact piece had he been a little more persistent in the negotiations. Basabe is a solid prospect in his own right Luis Alexander Basabe - 20 years old Scouting grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 55 | Run: 60 | Arm: 60 | Field: 55 | Overall: 50 If the hit tool can develop any further we could be looking at a starting caliber center fielder You have to face it that Boston was not going to include another top 15 organizational prospect after Moncada, Kopech and Basabe Diaz is a decent lottery ticket with a big fastball. If he develops into a serviceable middle reliever that would be great

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 09:34 AM) I believe Sale is worth 3 top 50 prospects. I feel like the Sox might have been able to pry Devers away had the Price injury happened earlier but I guess it wasn't meant to be. There is a difference between a "top 50 prospect" and the #1 or #2 prospect in baseball Other than Benintendi, Moncada is arguably the most prized prospect in baseball right now Kopech is a top 20 mlb prospect Basabe is a top 150 mlb prospect, possibly top 100 with a good season Diaz is an interesting throw in with a 70 grade fastball. Could turn into a relief option? Devers was never going to be included in this deal, as Boston knew that their package was better than the Nationals

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 12:55 PM) I would have preferred Benentendi and Devers to Moncada and Kopech based on what the team needs. Benintendi was never on the table as far as we know, and there is no way the Sox were not going to get at least one quality pitching prospect back as a headliner for Sale. Getting Kopech was a very important piece of the deal.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 02:50 PM) This won't happen. He is going to be out there getting shelled so we can hold off on rushing Giolito, Lopez, and Fulmer and also delaying a year of service time on them. And I forgot who the tweet was from (it was posted here somewhere) but Rodon may not even be ready by Opening Day. They are not going to cut Shields, no matter how bad he is this season Sox still owe him about $10 million this year and next and are not going to flush $20 million down the drain while rebuilding. He needs to eat innings.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 12:08 PM) Could falter? Yeah, some will fail. This is when the rebuild gets real for many people. Not all of these guys will pan out, that is a given. But by continuing to add talented players with high upside to our system we are building towards a better future for the organization Rebuilding is going to take time, the team will likely not be competitive for the next three seasons, but beyond that we could be a very talented team The 2016 draft class seems promising, and following that up with a solid 2017 draft will help as well

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) Any reports on how Robertson has looked this spring? I think he has a chance to bounce back pretty significantly after being fully healed from his knee injury and could really build his value backup for a midseason trade. I'm not too concerned about the Sox finding suitors for Robertson mid season if he is healthy and performing as he is capable of. Sox could always kick in some cash to land a nice package?

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) The admiration for a trade proposal that was basically what was reported prior (I don't think Dunning was offered, I think people are just assuming he was a part of it because he came over the next day, the rumored deal was Giolito/Lopez/Robles), when just 3 short months ago this was a very polarizing offer for Sale. We are leaving the romantic period where we could have had any prospect, and every prospect will be perfect, to now the scary period where the ones we picked could falter and ones we passed on will succeed. It would be really nice if Moncada and Kopech out of the gate just destroy their levels. I'm still very confident in Moncada and Kopech to perform this season Moncada only played 45 games at AA, and should get plenty of time at AAA to develop. He is not mlb ready just yet. Kopech needs reps at high A or AA and should stay there most of the season. 100+ innings pitched is a great goal for him

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) This is funny now. When a deal surrounding Robles/Giolito/Lopez was being discussed immediately preceding the trade, people were very against trading for a 19 year old who had not shown much power as the prime position player. I'd rather have Moncada over Robles at this point. Moncada has shown he can handle AA pitching and solid power. Robles is further away in his development, but has yet to show much in the way of power I like both prospects, but given a choice I'll take Moncada

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 10:54 AM) The Nationals supposedly offered all four of Robles, Giolito, Dunning, & Lopez for Sale. That's a huge package and one you could make an argument for being better overall the Red Sox's package. I think it's pretty obvious the Sox wanted Moncada and were willing to take lesser second & third pieces as long as they got a second stud in the deal. I doubt the Nats offered all four of Robles, Giolito, Lopez and Dunning. That would be a monster haul that Hahn would have a tough time saying no to. Three top fifty prospects and one top 150 prospect is a king's ransom for Sale The Sox really like the potential of Moncada and Kopech though, plus Basabe is an interesting prospect Hard to say which package I'd rather have, but since we got almost as much for Eaton it's hard to say Hahn did not do his best

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 10:38 AM) Interesting read on what it took to get to the Sale deal. http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/218...ris-sale-trade/ Red Sox were not going to bid against themselves and include Devers for Sale fully knowing that a Moncada/Kopech headlined deal was not going to be beat Washington likely offered something along the lines of Robles + Giolito as a headlined deal plus Dunning. Sox preferred the Moncada/Kopech and then suggested Basabe and Diaz to round it out Sox then quickly flipped Eaton for Giolito + Lopez + Dunning for Eaton as the Nationals were only willing to part with Robles for Sale

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 6, 2017 -> 03:12 PM) Yes, and they probably told the league to do whatever they wanted because they knew the rebuild was happening. Hopefully when it's time to win, they get some favors. It's a good thing for a chance. April and May weather is usually not great for Chicago baseball and it's better to have more home games later in the summer

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Mar 6, 2017 -> 09:28 AM) His closest friend is the almighty dollar. Whatever deal offers the most cheddar is where he'll sign. Sox do present a good opportunity to break the mlb roster sooner, rather than later I could see the Sox being willing to spend to get Robert if they think he is an impact talent

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 5, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) Colleen Kane‏ @ChiTribKane 2h2 hours ago Michael Kopech said he expects to throw in a sim game Tuesday rather than today. Reynaldo Lopez starting at Diamondbacks. I'm fine with bringing Kopech along slow. He really needs coaching and reps to improve. He has not thrown many minor league innings and should be handling an increased workload this season. Over 100 innings is a good goal for him

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 06:21 PM) The arm issues he supposedly had last year that hadn't been mentioned until today are definitely concerning. Hoping for the best... It's possible they don't want to abuse Rodon in a season where we aren't going to compete. Asking him to throw over 200 innings would be a mistake. We need to make sure to keep him heathy and trust the training staff