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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) If the Sox were trying to contend then Norris would make sense but since they are rebuilding the Nat's have to be willing to part with Severino if they are going to trade a catcher. I'm not sure the Nationals want to move Severino He is only 23 years old and under long term control Even if his ceiling is modest, he is the sort of player who can have a long career as a defensive backup

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) Pena Pena seems like emergency depth at best right now I doubt he cracks the mlb roster unless we have multiple big injuries

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 12:58 PM) What young core? Sure they are pretty deep with pitching. I still see a really thin system positionally. No? Basabe is nowhere near ready. Other than Collins and possibly Moncada coming up what young core are we speaking of? Right now we do not have much of a young position player "core" beyond Moncada, Collins, Basabe and Anderson

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 12:53 PM) This is true, but to raBBit's point the early returns haven't been promising. Out of the first group, Martinez is probably the biggest success and he barely cracked futuresox's top 30. I'm higher than most on Cruz, but he doesn't deserve a top 30 spot at this point in time. Rodriguez's 2016 season was a huge failure. Same goes for Adolfo, although it's way too early to jump to any conclusions on him just yet. Honestly, outside of Nunez's breakout season, Solorzano's solid performance (despite underwhelming stuff), and Tatis's rise in prospect status (not with us mind you), there were simply not a lot of positives on the Latin American side of things. Sox need to do a better job with international scouting and signings The bonus skimming deal really set them back, but hopes are that Paddy can start to right the ship Frankly, the mlb needs to overhaul it's international player rules. Having a few clubs go nuts with overspending in certain years is really not the best way to handle it. Next CBA should include more discussion on an international draft

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 12:15 PM) There is quite literally a zero chance that the White Sox take on all of Pablo Sandoval's salary. Why would the Sox take on roughly 60 million in remaining salary? That would make little sense, even if a top prospect was attached Frazier's trade value is close to non existent at this point. Our best bet is for him to bounce back and have a strong first half

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:44 AM) If catchers were so valuable for just defense or framing and no big hit tool, we wouldn't see Weiters going for 2 year deals and castro on 8 million AAV. I don't buy that a defense only catcher is so rare that we target that over a pitcher/position player with higher ceilings. If he is our main target, I hope he's Sal Perez behind the plate. Otherwise, I hope we are getting something interesting alongside him. Sox organization currently does not have a single catcher that is considered plus defensively as far as I know Can you find them? Yes. But it never hurts to have depth I'd fully expect more to be included with Severino

QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) I understand this but Hahn appears to be in go big mode with all of his trades. Considering he hasn't made too many moves yet that shows he isnt just settling for back up catchers. I dont buy that the trade is centered around a Severino or if this trade opportunity with the Nats even exists. They might like him in a trade but I would be shocked if he is the headliner. Soto or Fedde + Severino should be the target Sox should be open to kicking in cash to get the best possible return

QUOTE (daa84 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:25 AM) someone is going to have to explain the severino love to me. in over 1500 minor league ABs his slash line is .243/.294/.338 i get that he is a very good defensive catcher, but doesn't seem the guy can hit a lick (and i could give a s*** about his 38 major league ABs) Catching defense is something that has been viewed as more and more important over time, even if only for a backup Teams really value depth at the catcher position, and scouts seem to think that Severino could have a lengthy career as a glove first backup. His ceiling could be a regular if the hit tool develops further Getting Severino plus a quality prospect would be a very good deal

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) Even if Collins can stick at Catcher, he is probably two or three years away. It doesn't hurt to have someone behind the plate who can help our young pitchers instead of hurting them, and maybe stunting their development. I'm totally fine with Severino being a part of a Robertson package, but more certainly needs to be included (hoping Soto)

QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 10:29 AM) I know you cant just look at one guy in Collins and think you have a position held down for the future but it seems odd to me that the Sox would target Severino only in a deal for Robertson. I would think that they would want to target talent were they have almost no talent in the making like 3rd base, more outfielders, or 1st baseman of the future. But I guess this is what rebuilding looks like, you dont just fill positions in order. You have to stock pile talent wherever you can get it. It never hurts to have depth an options at catcher Severino seems to have the floor of a glove first mlb backup, with the ceiling to be a regular if the hitting develops Even if Collins sticks at catcher, we will need backup options. Nobody catches every game anymore.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 10:15 AM) They won't trade Soto for Robertson. If the Sox kick in some cash, I could see the Nationals parting with an 18 year old Soto and Severino They will have added Robertson at a more palatable number for two seasons, and not parted with any prospects close to the majors I see that as a win win deal

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) Norris is an excellent framer. Norris was awful at the plate last season. Could he bounce back? Sure, but the Sox will want Severino plus a quality prospect in return

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) Completely agree here. I'd rather have more upside in a Robertson deal. I'd take Severino along with 2 far away prospects for DRob and like Lawrie or something. Robertson for Severino does nothing for me though. I'd take Soto + Severino, Sox kick in some cash and lets make a deal happen

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 10:01 AM) A potential big domino of Wieters deal. #WhiteSox need a catcher, and #Nats have a bunch of them now. https://t.co/BVgoSJEGZf https://twitter.com/MarkZuckerman/status/834065396437245953 Norris or Severino are not good enough to land Robertson, even if the Nationals eat the entire contract I'd be looking for at least one legitimate prospect plus a catcher like Norris or Severino in return

QUOTE (Soha @ Feb 20, 2017 -> 12:11 PM) Most likely. Unless a would be contender gets a major injury during spring training or the WBC. Since we are out of real rumblings to discuss, imagine a player like Lester goes down in spring training with a significant injury. Would the Cubs get seriously involved with a major rotation hole in the middle of their contention window and Arrieta about to depart in free agency? Crazier things could happen

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Feb 20, 2017 -> 12:02 PM) After the Sale and Eaton trades, I'm glad they didn't add any offense via FA this winter. I hope they do the same next offseason. This team is at least 2-3 years away from competing so might as well save that $ for when it is really needed like two winters from now. At some point, they do need to unload Q, Jones, and Robertson for position player prospects though. While it may be realistic to sign two players like Brian Dozier and Wilson Ramos two years from now, they are going to need a lot more than that to compete even if guys like Anderson, Collins, and Moncada are contributing. Rebuilding is going to be a multi year process The organization will look different 12 months from now than it does today with the draft, trades, shrewd signings, player development, etc. We certainly have a long way to go with bats, but everyone has to like us stockpiling young arms with high upside The Sox are in a great payroll position moving forward, with very little on the books past the next couple seasons once Frazier, Melky and Shields are gone They certainly will have enough to add to the roster via free agency, but building from within will be important too. It's not just about the near future within 5 years, but building an organization from the ground up that is capable of sustained success for the long term as well.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 20, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) At this point, you have to assume Q is here. The window has closed on this deal until at least June. That is not the end of the world, especially if the right deal has not presented itself If the team is doing better than expected, having Quintana on the roster won't hurt He could easily be the most valuable starter on the block at the deadline

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 18, 2017 -> 09:17 AM) Totally agree. I really see 2018 being our bottom, not 17. 2017 and 2018 are going to be rough, rebuilding seasons By 2019 we should be trending in the right direction, even if still a losing team We obviously need additional position player talent that will need to come in via the draft, as well as shrewd trades Quintana / Robertson / Jones / Abreu are our remaining trade chips that could bring a significant return I can't see us getting much back in exchange for Melky, Frazier or Lawrie at this point

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 20, 2017 -> 10:07 AM) Bullpen additions can be made midseason though, as evidenced by the Cubs and Indians last year. I think they are perfectly reasonable going to into the year with what they have. Ideally, Robertson kills it in the first half and increases his value. That pen needs more than one quality addition before it is ready for a playoff run Sure, the Nats can rely on in season trades to bring in talent, but those almost always end up being expensive. Their farm system is not what it was prior to the Eaton trade either. Robles, Fedde and Soto top it, but not a ton beyond them that can land a quality reliever midseason

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Feb 20, 2017 -> 09:36 AM) Mike Rizzo told us the Nats closer will come from Shawn Kelley, Blake Treinin or Koda Glover #Nationals https://twitter.com/JimBowden_ESPN/status/833696679266222081 That pen is definitely not strong enough to win in the playoffs, or regular season for that matter Washington is a very top heavy team, quality starters and regular position players, but questionable bullpen and bench

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Feb 20, 2017 -> 09:16 AM) Rizzo told us that they have NOT had trade conversations for a closer in “quite sometime”. They think answer is in camp.@SiriusXMFantasy https://twitter.com/JimBowden_ESPN/status/833695541699760132 There were tons of Robertson to the Nats rumors about a week ago, so not sure what that is all about The Nationals can roll with Kelley, who is a quality reliever, as closer. There is significant risk for a team with World Series aspirations having such an unproven bullpen outside of Kelley and Trienen though

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Feb 18, 2017 -> 07:22 PM) I'm all for making that argument to whoever the Owner was that vetoed the prospective trade ! Hahn mentioned (in the interview with Chuck Garfein at CSN) that the return package in that proposed deal was constructed similar to the deal for Sale. We can't be sure exactly what he meant, but it sounds like it may have been a deal that was centered around a very highly rated prospect. That is also the impression I git from his other comments in that interview. It had to be the Pirates and Yankees three way trade. Yankees ownership backed out last minute on Xmas Eve. I'll bet it was something like: Pirates get Quintana Yankees get Cutch Sox get Glasnow + Frazier + significantly more

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 17, 2017 -> 10:18 AM) Hopeful draft pick spots: 2017: #11 obviously 2018: Top 3 (if everything goes right, #1) 2019: Top 6 or 7? 2020: 10-15 range, inching closer Obviously if we end up becoming good enough for contention sooner, than even better. But yeah, I'm expecting at least 3 bad/mediocre seasons. Guys gotta get through some growing pains. Not everyone will just come up and click right away. If by 2020 we are not at least a .500 team then the rebuild has not been done the right way 2017 and 2018 are total write offs, likely 2019 we should be seeing some progress, 2020 we need to be .500 or better Your estimates are reasonable, but we all should hope they turn out better than that

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 17, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) It would really take a miracle for this team to be anywhere close to contention, and even if it was a collapse would be right around the corner. This team just doesn't have the horses for 162 games. Fans need to be prepared for three rough seasons, but with 2020-2023 behind our prime window to contend 2017 = awful 2018 = subpar, but slight improvement 2019 = on the right track, ideally get back to .500 2020-2023 contenders

QUOTE (Wanne @ Feb 17, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) My Dad and I...doing our usual State of the Sox talk before spring training...I brought up that fact how Hansen continually gets overlooked as a top prospect. Probably one of the bigger steals of any drafts that I can recall recently given where he was taken. I agree with jerksticks somewhat...that he's soon to be a Top 10 spec. Guy is just too good to live in anonymity... For Hansen to be a top 10 mlb prospect he would have to seriously sharpen his command and control, plus stay healthy this season 157 innings, 1.94 ERA, 40 BB, 185 K's across high A and lots of AA would likely skyrocket him up the rankings His control would need to develop from 40/45 grad to 55 grade in order for that to happen