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QUOTE (pablo @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 11:32 AM) I think given the current value of Robertson, he's not worth a top 50 prospect unless there is significant salary offset. I'd be fine with picking up a bunch of Robertson's salary to get Feede include in a deal. On a related note, it will be very funny if Q gets traded to Astros and Robertson to Nats as they were the most obvious trade partners and we've been speculating about it for 2+ months. I'd say it's pretty likely that a deal gets hashed out at some point I'm surprised that the Rockies aren't more in on Robertson, their bullpen is awful and could use Jones and/or Robertson to help stabilize it

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 10:09 AM) Reed Tucker could be a starting point if they are willing to give up a majority of their top 10. It would have to be a quantity deal. But like I have said before, then another team would easily be able to offer quality to beat a deal like that. Exactly^ Reed's value is considerably down. He could bounce back and be solid, or he could be Jonathan Singleton... Tucker is a quality piece, but I'm not comfortable having him be the main piece coming back In our Musgrove + Martes + Tucker he is the third (albeit an excellent third piece). The power will have to develop in order for him to project well as a corner outfielder

QUOTE (pablo @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) There's really no reason to do a deal that doesn't a least include Soto. If not, let Robertson re-establish value during the season. I can't imagine a scenario where Robles or Feede are on the table. Robles? Probably not. But Fedde certainly can be on the table, he's far from untouchable

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) I would pay Robertson's whole contract for Robles I would too for Robles Hahn did a great job by not throwing Robertson into the Eaton deal, now he's sitting on a fairly valuable trade chip

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 10:25 AM) YES!!!!!!! HELL YES!!!!!! Can you imagine if we can somehow land Robles? SoxTalk would have a field day

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 10:25 AM) YES!!!!!!! HELL YES!!!!!! Make the Nats overpay, they are desperate for a closer and we have one of the only decent ones available via trade

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 5, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) Again, is one year a big difference? The Sox aren't expected to contend until the '20 season anyway so a pitcher projected to debut in that time frame could be a good thing. Sticking with the same source in an effort to be consistent, mlb pipeline has Keller slated for '18 and Whitley/Perez for '19. Also, Tucker isn't expected until the '19 season so should we skip the idea of trying to acquire him as well? Dunning and Diaz aren't expected until '19 so should we have not traded for them? To count on all of Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer and Kopech to hit their ceilings and stick as MLB starters would be foolish. Must keep the talent flowing upwards towards the major league club. Prospects bust and players get injured so the more quality options a team has the better the chances of filling holes as they open up. No team is going to give up strictly mlb ready talent in a trade. The Sox need hitters and Houston has an abundance so I would target hitters that are closer to the majors as the package to build around with a young pitcher or two to round off that package. Given the Sox need for hitters. I would target Tucker and one of Reed/Fisher as the start of the package and go from there. Might get the Astros to bite on Reed, Tucker, Fisher and one of Laureano/Perez. Then again, I admit I'm higher on Reed and Fisher than most are so I can see how some might shy away from that proposal if they aren't so high on Reed and Fisher. Whitley is 19 years old and has only pitched 18 innings of rookie ball so far in his career. Not knocking him, but his MLB eta is definitely not going to be 2019. 2020 would be the earliest you would see him, likely late season at that. Reed / Tucker is not a good enough headliner to a Quintana deal Sox won't lower their asking price from Musgrove + Tucker + Martes that much

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 09:38 AM) Is it safe to say that Q is on the team until the deadline if he isn't traded before pitchers and catchers report? I would say that is very likely. Either you move him prior to the season, or you shop him at the deadline

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 4, 2017 -> 06:42 PM) Keller is projected for an '18 debut and Whitley/Perez for '19. Is one year that big if a deal? Rebuilding is not just about building the next contender but a perennial contender for years to come. That means the Sox need to keep the young talent flowing upwards to the big League club. Another aspect to my desire for Whitley and/or Perez is taking pitching that is not as advanced as Martes and Paulino allows the Sox to target more advanced hitters in discussions with Houston. Just so happens that Houston prefers to keep its near ready pitching and have hitters available due to their backlog in the OF and 1B. Something along the lines of Tucker, Whitley, Fisher and Laureano. That's two top 50's, a top 100 and a flier which should put the package value somewhere between the Sale and Eaton trades. Whitley looks good, but his eta is 2020 at best. I don't mind him in a package, but the sox are looking for talent closer to the majors I think

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 4, 2017 -> 12:24 PM) Just a matter of preference. Whitley's plus FB can cut or run, has a plus CB, a CU that flashes plus, an average slider and has average control. His deep repertoire is what really hooks me since its a five pitch arsenal. Also like his big frame too. There's nothing wrong with Keller and I'd love to have him but if I had a choice it would be Whitley. Whitley is talented, but also is at least four years away from the majors at this point. That needs to be considered

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 11:12 PM) Wow. Keller's ceiling is much more projectable and much higher than Whitley or Perez at this point. In fact, it's higher than most pitching prospects in the minors right now. I'd rather have Keller than Whitley, but Perez could skyrocket up the top 100. An 18 year old pitching well in A ball is impressive for sure.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 03:55 PM) I have been banging the Perez drum for a while, he is a must to me in any deal with Houston. I think we will have the type of helium that Kopech has now next year, he reminds of me Jose Fernandez. I'd love to get Franklin Perez from Houston I think they like him alot though

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 02:37 PM) Chances of that player being any good are pretty slim. That's why I say, take one of their lesser prospects who you like. You really are lucky if you get 2 or 3 guys who contribute in a draft. People are really excited about the White Sox 2016 draft and they should be. The guys looked great. But when it's all said and done, a couple or more of the guys people are high on will wonder how high they were when they like the player. Courtney Hawkins was going to be a star. Then he hit .178 striking out at a ridiculous rate and still, "he's young for the level". Finally, he sucks. The same thing happens year after year to every team. I think a guy who has been playing against professional competition is easier to project. That's why, even though it really won't happen anyway, I wouldn't take the draft pick if I could if I was making the deal. Give me the player someone already spent $800k or more on, and spent more developing. Exactly, it takes years to evaluate a draft year. In a given year if 1 or 2 of those players make the major league roster it has to be considered a success.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) Once Jose Quintana is traded, Carlos Rodon becomes the new White Sox ace. Via @MLBBruceLevine: https://t.co/9IauEyIFyR https://t.co/06gupqojBD https://twitter.com/670TheScore/status/827610379123642368 Bruce is saying again that some source are saying that Quintana will be traded before camp opens We have not had any indication that talks have advanced or that any deal for Quintana is close Offers have been exchanged, but neither the Pirates or Astros are blinking as of yet The Rangers rumor appeared to be a White Sox generated leak to stir the pot

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) Once Jose Quintana is traded, Carlos Rodon becomes the new White Sox ace. Via @MLBBruceLevine: https://t.co/9IauEyIFyR https://t.co/06gupqojBD https://twitter.com/670TheScore/status/827610379123642368 Bruce is saying again that some source are saying that Quintana will be traded before camp opens We have not had any indication that talks have advanced or that any deal for Quintana is close Offers have been exchanged, but neither the Pirates or Astros are blinking as of yet The Rangers rumor appeared to be a White Sox generated leak to stir the pot

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) Tucker is just as far away as Whitley and Perez so should we leave Tucker out of the deal as well? Should we have not traded for Basabe, Dunning and Diaz because they haven't played above A ball? Also, Kopech isn't expected to be ready until 2019. He needs that time to build up his innings because he is behind due to his two set backs ( fight/PED suspension. The Sox have Giolito, Fulmer and Lopez at Charlotte. Kopech, Guerrero, Adams and Stephens at Birmingham. Whitley and Perez would be great additions to Hansen and Dunning in A ball. Think of them in waves. 1St wave is Giolito, Lopez and Fulmer. 2ND wave is Kopech, Stephens, Adams and Guerrero. 3rd wave is Hansen, Dunning, Whitley and Perez. That's pretty good balance from A-AAA and those waves would come over the next three years. Given the depth of the Sox pitching I would rather take a few really young pitchers (Whitley/Perez) so the trade can focus on getting close to major league ready hitting such as Reed and Fisher. I actually disagree on that point. I could definitely see Tucker moving up quickly through the minors and getting called up towards the end of 2018 or early 2019 if he continues to progress Perez and Whitley are at least 3 full seasons away from the majors, if not more

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) I feel the same way. If Rodon comes close to his ceiling he will absolutely go to FA and Boris isn't known for signing extensions with his most talented clients so IMHO that's out of the question. This could be one reason why the Sox are trying to load up on pitching. Here's the way things could go down over the next few year's and what I could be the Sox approach. The Sox get their haul for Q which will likely add another high ceiling starting pitching prospect. Add that prospect to the list of Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer, Kopech, Hansen and that's alot of talent with some high ceilings. Each of those pitchers comes with a question mark or two but I think Giolito and Lopez stick as starters, Fulmer and Kopech are more of the wait and see approach. With the Sox rebuilding they give Hansen the chance to determine his own fate and not force anything. That said, I feel Hansen moves quickly over the next few years with, IMHO, potential to become a high end pitching prospect similar to what Glasnow is now. I think Hansen sticks as a starter when the time comes. I do admit I'm rather high on him . The variable in all this is the starting pitching prospect from the Q deal so it's hard to guess anything other than the Sox clearly desire another top starting pitching prospect. If things work out I think it's quite possible the Sox look to move Rodon during the '18/'19 off season for a haul that could replenish the farm or for MLB position player(s) to fill in a gap or two in the starting lineup. Both are nice options to have. Just a reminder that this is all best case scenario and could certainly turn out differently. The Sox good history with pitching leads me to think things will work out for the better and not the worse. It's early to speculate on Rodon seeing is that he is under team control for 5 more seasons. If he is pitching well and the team is ready to contend then we absolutely will keep him around. We could shop him, but I think the Sox want to get back to contending sooner, rather than later

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 01:56 PM) Exactly. Sox pick at #11 ($3, 998,900), #49 ($1,325, 800), #87 ($606, 100). If the Sox got the 75th pick ($730,800) and went over their bonus pool to the maximum allowed, they could sign a $2 million player at #49 if they want. The pick could be a final sweetener, but I'd rather have a quality prospect in a 3-4 player deal

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 12:33 PM) To be honest, I don't need Martes to make a deal happen. I'm to the point I prefer trying to acquire bith Whitley and Perez in place of Martes. I would shoot for Tucker, Whitley, Fisher, Perez and Stubbs. Imo, the value of that package should sit between the Sale and Eaton packages. Three top 100's and two fliers would be a nice little haul for Q. Whitley and Perez certainly have upside, but each are a considerable distance away from the major leagues, which has to be a consideration Guys like Moncada, Giolito, Lopez, Collins, Fulmer, Hansen, Dunning, Burdi are not more than two years away from the majors. We need to make sure that we balance the rebuild so that we are firing on all cylinders when ready to compete again. I doubt Houston would part with 5 players for Q. I see any deal being 3-4 players at the end of the day

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 08:52 AM) That would be a bad trade. Need one more piece like Reed or Perez. Agreed. I would not be pleased with that return for four years of Quintana Martes + Tucker is a must to headline any potential Q, but the next pieces would have to include a significant piece along the lines of Reed/Fisher/Paulino/Perez I like Laureano, but the offensive jet stream that is A Lancaster really inflates stats I don't think a Martes + Tucker + Laureano + 75th pick is a better package than Glasnow + Keller + Newman + Diaz (which I feel is still light)

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 01:53 PM) .200, 1 homer, 2 rbi's. spot on

QUOTE (beautox @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 08:30 AM) I'm on a similar page Martes/Tucker/Reed/Stubbs/Laureano and we close the book on it and ship Jennings with Q as Tony Sipp is the only LHP in their BP right now ,he of the near -1WAR last year. Tucker/Laureano/Basabe/Call/Fisher make for exciting outfield prospects to follow. Additionally maybe one of Tilson/Liriano/W. Garcia show something at the major league level. Even if we want to move Quintana before the season, we absolutely should not settle for a lesser package Quintana is our final blue chip trade piece and it is imperative that we use him to his fullest value to aid our rebuild. Every piece we can acquire matters.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 06:45 PM) The Sox tanking the '17 season to be in position to draft Beer ( ha ha ) in '18 makes much more sense of the JAMES SHIELDS trade. Sheer genius! A healthy JAMES SHIELDS could easily give the Sox a -10 WUR ( Wins Under Replacement) which should translate to 20 losses easily. This means that JAMES SHIELDS is the Sox Harry Potter in their quest for Beer! f***-An-A!!! Luken Baker is an excellent 2018 draft prospect as well

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 01:39 AM) No, no, that's WAY light, IMO. I would go for Alford, Urena, Tellez, McGuire. Look at the Ken Giles trade, Astros traded two top 100 prospects, plus their 2nd RD pick that year, plus another arm. Jones could be very valuable at the deadline, as could Robertson Hard to gauge their values right now

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) Works for me too. I wouldn't object to Caratini as a fourth piece either. I think Happ, Jimenez , Candelario plus one of Martinez/Caratini is pretty reasonable for both sides. I could care less who we trade Q to if it means we are getting the best package in return, even if that comes from the Cubs A high profile deal like this is unlikely because if it goes wrong one team will have regret for years Quintana could make sense for the Cubs due to the 4 years and relatively low cost because it would allow them to still spend on free agents moving forward Replacing Arrieta (potentially and Lackey after this season is not going to be cheap. The Cubs window is right now before all their young guys get more expensive after hitting their arbitration years. The Sox would want at least one interesting arm to go along with Jimenez, Happ and Candelario, but it would add Quintana without subtracting from the mlb roster at all