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QUOTE (striker @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 01:38 PM) There are four outcomes as I see it. 1. Sox trade him before SP, get awesome package (A, B, 2 Cs). Similiar to Eaton/Sale deal. A would be Meadows, Albies, Torres, Frazier. 2. Sox trade him before SP, get good package. (3B + 1C) 3. Sox trade him during season, get awesome package (A, B, 2 Cs) 4. Sox trade him during season, get good package (3B + 1C) 5. Q get's injurred 6. Q value goes down. If you look at the probability of each and compare it to the return of each, then I have to think you choose 2 if 1 isn't out there. That is assuming that those specific proposals are out there and fit into the White Sox rebuilding plans We should not be the side of negotiations pushing to get a deal done, the buyer should. He should not be moved unless we are getting premium prospects in return, including at least one "untouchable" From the rumors we have seen the asking price is "three elite prospects", and I highly doubt the Sox move off of that ask as they have no reason to. Getting desperate will only lead to a mediocre return. I do believe we asked Houston for Musgrove/Martes/Tucker and got turned down bv the Astros, and asked for Meadows to headline any deal with the Pirates. We are essentially asking for three top 50 prospects, which is not crazy

QUOTE (heirdog @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 01:30 PM) The Cubs didn't have near the level of talent the Sox have on the MLB roster to trade away. But somehow came away w Russell, Rizzo, Arrietta and Hendricks in someone solid or under the radar moves. They still needed the drafts to build the major contender and it took some time. With what the Sox are trading away, the near MLB ready prospects should expedite the rebuild and might only require a couple years of tanking. Perhaps, but they also nailed pretty much every trade and draft pick perfectly As well as opened up the checkbook to sign Lester and Heyward (Heyward has not worked out as planned so far) Teams go through windows of contention, and right now the Cubs have an excellent 2-3 year window to compete with the roster being largely cost controlled As soon as players like Bryant, Schwarber, Russell, Baez, Hendricks, etc start to hit their arbitration years they will get significantly more expensive. Lackey and Arrieta are both likely gone after this season, essentially forcing the Cubs to spend big in free agency on at least one starter given the lack of internal options. I'd look for them to trade for a cost controlled starter at some point given prospects like Happ and Cendelario are blocked

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) If the Sox were to accept a Pirates package of Glasnow, Keller, Newman, and Hayes for Q. Would the Sox be able to then package something like Robertson(assuming healthy), Glasnow, and Adams to the Yanks for Frazier and Rutherford? I think that's getting ahead of ourselves Prospect for prospect trades like that rarely happen The Yankees are not looking to move their top prospects right now, once closer to contention I think that mindset will change

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) Some clarification on Collins and what goes into him being where he's at on the list: DarthPaul ‏@cronebender More @jimcallisMLB If Zack Collins were unable to be a catcher, could he be still somewhere on the Top 10 first basemen list, theoretically? Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 3m3 minutes ago More Jim Callis Retweeted DarthPaul Sure. I'm not bullish on Collins staying at C, so #Top100Prospects rank is based mostly on offense. Would be No. 4 1B for me. @whitesox Sox will give Collins a full minor league season behind the plate at a minimum to see if he can stick at catcher Give him the chance to prove he can provide passable defense and the bat will carry him to the mlb

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) Stolen from the minor league catch-all thread: Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo now MLB awards Cardinals' two top picks (no. 56 and no. 75) in 2017 draft to Astros. Cardinals will pay $2M fine to Houston. With the additional picks, maybe the Astros would be more willing to match our request in a deal? Possibly, but doubtful Pick outside of the top 50 are pretty much a crapshoot, and your chances of landing impact talent are far lower than in the first round, specifically top half The additional bonus pool money might be interesting though

QUOTE (striker @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 01:00 PM) Q will go to the Yankees. They have a ton of prospects they can include without Torres or Frazier. That have the the greatest need for a SP between Atl, Pit, and Hou. Perhaps, but I don't see any way a deal gets done without Torres or Frazier headlining They have other interesting players in their system, but I feel Mateo and Judge are overrated Sheffield's frame leads me to believe he will be a reliever. How many 5'10" starting pitchers are there in the mlb? Less than 5% of all starting pitchers are under 6' tall Kaprelian is coming off injury, Rutherford is at least three full years away from the majors and is not enough to headline a deal I don't see a match right now

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 09:30 AM) It only means they aren't expecting a major league ready prospect. But the truth is that you should expect zero of the prospects we just traded for to be on the opening day roster. Bourjos is on a minor league deal and far from a lock to make the 25 man roster I wouldn't read into his signing all that much

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 11:47 AM) Eh, this offseason is weird. Glasnow-Jimenez is a swap. Jones has significant value on his own. If Jones repeats something close to his 2016 performance he could be a hot commodity at the deadline to a contender He would fit well as a setup man on a playoff team and has a cheap contract That alone makes him worth keeping to shop mid season

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) Glasnow is ranked higher than Jimenez. If I'm doing Glasnow + Jones, I need Jimenez, Candelario and some interesting arm. Candelario is nearly mlb ready and totally blocked by the Cubs current mlb roster. They seem to be pretty much forced to trade him at some point, because their infield is set for the next 5 years Even if they convert him to OF, they have other OF options as well

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 11:30 AM) I don't think any teams are all that serious right now. The Pirates and Astros are offering "rental" type offers for Quintana. With four years' control, it's simply not acceptable to have so many off limits prospects. I doubt the "win now" mentality of the Pirates. If they were truly in win now mode, trade Bell and sign, as an example, old buddy Pedro Alvarez to play 1B for a year. Or trade Meadows and run with your three above-average major league OFs already on the roster. The Astros as hesitant to part with Francis Martes... a guy who ranks worse than Glasnow, who himself is not considered a slam dunk headliner. I'm sorry, but no. I don't think the Cubs, Rockies, Dodgers or Yankees are interested in making a deal now, but they have the goods to make it happen in July, since the Pirates and Astros are, IMO, considerably short on value. Exactly Sox want to see if contenders like: Houston, Texas, Dodgers, Cubs, Blue Jays, etc. have deadline need for pitching and are willing to fork over the big haul The offers they are getting now maybe account for two years worth of Quintana, not 4 cost controlled seasons

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 07:41 AM) It's going to be impossible to live up to the Cubs' roughly 75% success rate. It has almost been unreal. Normally, you're lucky to be hitting at 40% with major (Top 100/150) prospects. I'll give Theo credit where credit is due, but a Cubs rebuild was done through multiple seasons of tanking, combined with success after prospect success that is nearly impossible to repeat Tanking allowed them to draft Bryant, who turned into a superstar Trading Samardzija and Hammel for Russell + more was a great move Tanking and drafting Baez, Schwarber, Bryant, Almora, Happ, etc. really allowed them to build a large amount of the team When you draft in the top 5 nearly every season you have a much greater chance of landing impact talent I'm not sure Sox fans would have the patience to deal with 3-5 years of tanking...but we might have to

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) The Sox could easily make a deal with Houston as long as Tucker is on the table. Musgrove was never happening, because it never made sense for the Astros to trade him, and Martes was always take-it-or-leave-it for me. If the Sox aren't getting a true blue chipper like Meadows (and the injury risk on him is alarming) or Torres then I'd prefer a depth package that strengthens the Sox org at multiple positions. Demanding Martes just because MLB.com just ranked him at 20 ignores the rest of the Astros system which is definitely capable of making up for the exclusion of Martes with an inclusion of quantity. My favorite is still the Braves just because they have so many interesting things. If the pricetag of a Quintana deal was merely a depth package then over half the mlb would be calling the Sox right now I really don't see the Sox lowering their pricetag after getting what they wanted for Sale and Eaton

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) Beauty of all of this, is even if we go to the deadline with Q, it's very likely other prospects emerge (and others fall). So it won't be a static landscape as far as prospects available I'd rather wait and see the market at the deadline, no reason to rush the process You can also evaluate what else you might need depending on who the Sox select in the draft (we have #11, #49 and #87 overall)

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 11:10 AM) This reminds me of the guy in fantasy football who offers his whole bench for your star RB. Agreed, it's way light and does not include any core prospects from St Louis

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) The Cubs aren't trading for Quintana, at least not at this point in time. IMO, this thing comes down to three teams: Houston, Pittsburgh, & Atlanta. If Martes is really off limits, then I don't consider the Astros serious players. I believe the Braves are actually interested in Q, but I'm guessing any deal would need to be on their terms. That leaves the Pirates and I think they're the one team that might blink as we approach spring training. The team has a lot of talent, but desperately needs to add a TOR starter if they want even a solid chance of competing for a wild card spot. Quintana's contract is a perfect match for them and allows them to pivot in a year or two if things don't work out as well as they hope. A deal just makes too much sense for them and ultimately I think they cave. If Meadows & Bell are truly untouchables, then I could see a middle ground being Glasnow, Keller, Newman, & Craig. Hahn stated very clearly at SoxFest that it was too early to focus on specific needs when trading our assets and I think the package above would be way too much talent to pass up on. I get this feeling that the Sox aren't in love with with what Pittsburgh is willing to offer for Quintana at all. If they were willing to take a deal without Bell or Meadows Q would be on the Pirates by now If Houston is making Martes and Musgrove unavailable there's no way a deal happens

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) If Hahn took that and flipped either Giolito/Glasnow for a guy like Rodgers/Frazier/Rutherford, I'd be happy. Those types of trades don't go down all that often, as teams like to keep their home grown talent unless they trade prospects for proven mlb talent Any Quintana deal should be for prospects we fully plan on keeping in the organization

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 09:21 AM) One of the guys over at Viva El Birdos cooked up a trade proposal for the Cards to end up with Q. Luke Weaver, Magneuris Sierra, Austin Gomber, Connor Jones, and Lance Lynn for Q. http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2017/1/30/1442...-trade-proposal Not a fan of that deal and I feel other teams could beat that offer I'm not saying those prospects aren't good, but Quintana is more valuable than a depth package like that It's also the wrong type of package, as it's primarily pitching as the return when we needs bats I don't love any of the Cardinals position player prospects enough to build a deal around that Any Q deal would have to start with Reyes + two more good prospects like Bader and Perez

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 08:04 AM) Anthony Rizzo is a terrible example. He's basically in the same age range as everyone else on the Cubs' core. Agreed, Rizzo is a bad example because he is still young and signed long term Frazier should be dealt at some point before the trade deadline, as should Melky Abreu likely will stick around unless we get a really nice package for him We want to have maximum payroll flexibility moving forward during the rebuild so that we are ready to make a splash once we are ready to contend again in a few seasons

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 12:06 AM) You could subtract Paulino and Reed from that deal and I'd still like it. That's 4 guys who all are top 100 tier guys, Tucker higher than that. The potential for Perez and Whitley to rise is really strong also, could be looking at two more blue chip arms a year from now. Tucker + Perez + Fisher + Whitley ? I think the Sox would be looking for prospects closer to the major leagues Whitley is at least three seasons away, as is Perez Fisher has solid speed and power, but hit tool, fielding and arm are all below average

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 12:53 AM) Wow, I had no idea Kopech's slider was considered that great. I knew it was plus, but I didn't assume it was the 2nd best slider out there. I wonder how it would compare to Rodon's. Is Kopech's arsenal essentially a right-handed version of Rodon with an extra 3-4 MPH on the fastball? The more I read about Kopech, the happier I get. Scouts seem to be really high on his potential to develop into a FV 60 grade starting power pitcher. We still need to add to the farm, but we have a nice collection of arms to work with in Giolito, Kopech, Lopez, Fulmer, Hansen, Burdi, Stephens, Adams

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 03:38 PM) No Martes, No Bregman. LOL, yeah, OK Houston. Zero chance of a deal unless musgrove or mattes are in the deal, agreed

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 03:24 PM) Gotcha. I know it's fun to fantasize about someone like Machado coming here, but I just don't see the Sox giving out a $200+ million deal to one player when they haven't even given out a $100 million deal out to one person. They will have tons of money to spend and I'm sure will look into every option to see what makes sense. I also don't think they give anyone a 200 mill deal though

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 02:45 PM) Burdi just confirmed on WLS that he will be a reliever. Not a huge shock keeping him in relief. He can be a solid bullpen arm right away for the sox. He could always get stretched out next offseason, but I think they always saw him in relief

QUOTE (New Era on South Side @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) Well, if the rumored three way trade fell apart and we are going into the season with Quintana, I hope he stays healthy and they deal him for a haul before the deadline. That's all we can hope for from a risk perspective. Deadline seems to be the most likely outcome at this point. No sense in taking the wing deal now when you have plenty of time to deal q

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:58 AM) They aren't dumb as hell. He doesn't think Lopez has any chance to start, therefore he's not on the list. We really shouldn't be butthurt about what Keith Law thinks anyway though. Hard to not have Moncada well within the top ten prospects based on what he has done in the minors, as well as upside He also has not had injury problems as far as I know