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QUOTE (Hamhock @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 05:03 PM) You get a member email sent to you every month that contains the list of games for the following month (which you choose on the usual Single Game tickets page on whitesox.com) and your membership code number that you enter on Ticketmaster to get your discounted Lower Box offer. Hate to be cynical, but when you can purchase tickets day of the game on stubhub for $8.00 - $11.00 it's hard to justify paying much more

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 01:46 PM) Worth noting that Collins was #2 previously, but that probably has more to do with those ahead of him upping their stock, versus Collins dropping. I expect Collins to move upwards on the top 100 list. If Collins can stick at catcher, the overall tools he brings make him the best catching prospect in baseball in my opinion Hit hit tool and power tool are the best of the top catching prospects by a considerable margin A passable catcher who can hit is worth gold

QUOTE (The Gooch @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 03:06 PM) I think a 20-win season would have helped his chances a bit. He would also own the record for most starts going 6 or more innings if it wasn't for the Cowboy Joe West. I think what he has going for him outside of numbers is that he was not only the definition of a durable pitcher, but has also thrown a no-no and a perfect game (not to mention the other times he has faced the minimum) while topping out at 90-91. MB is my favorite of all time and I am hoping he gets in like Raines did, toward the end of his eligibility. His 214 wins will look like a lot more by then too. I don't think Konerko or Beuhrle have the resume to make it into the HOF Thome does and should be first ballot

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 11:16 AM) I bet he has: 10. Mets 9. Reds 8. Rockies 7. Dodgers 6. Padres 5. Brewers 4. White Sox 3. Pirates 2. Yankees 1. Braves I'd go 1) Braves 2) Yankees 3) Brewers 4) White Sox 5) Padres 6) Pirates 7) Dodgers 8) Rockies 9) Reds 10) Mets

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) From all I have seen, its been noted that the Rockies have very little interest in Q because they don't think that his pitching style will play well in their stadium. They had concerns about how the altitude would lessen the break of his curve ball and that he doesn't strike enough guys out to fit what works there. Seems that way. The Rockies pitching, especially bullpen, is a huge question mark going into 2017. I do not see how they contend without significant additions in a division with the Dodger and Giants

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 10:38 AM) Of course you would. Meadows, Glasnow and Newman is more than they got for Sale and Eaton. Perhaps, but not necessarily Moncada is a better prospect than Meadows, especially given Meadows injury struggles. Meadows is great when he plays, but he has missed significant time due to injury. Kopech and Glasnow are both top 25 overall prospects. Kopech is younger and not as far along in development. Newman is likely better than Basabe + Diaz at this point in time, but Basabe is also two years younger and not a bad prospect in his own right. Basabe came on very strong in the second half of the season and put up a .292 - .355 - .493 line (2nd half) Trades do not always have to be equal either, really depends on the market

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 09:57 AM) Not even sure that I made an argument. I was simply trying to point out that pitching, even mediocre pitching with no track record, commands a decent return. I made no reference to the Marlins trying to acquire Q, or that such a deal would have been the base for a deal for Q. I drew no parallel to the Marlin's farm system to the systems that could be utilized to get Q. Again, just trying to point out the high price of pitching, and that I do not think it would be a good idea to drastically lower the asking price for Q, or take a deal out of fear or panic. The more we look at it, Quintana is realistically the only TOR starter on the market right now There is zero reason to lower our asking price until it gets met. Teams won't give their best offers until they have to. The offers slowly get more sweetened to the point where serious offers get made, and then teams begin to make their "best offers". We are creeping towards that breaking point. Once the national media guys start tweeting, then we will see some activity. Zero reason to panic, trust Hahn to pull off another brilliant move

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 09:47 AM) I really wish Hoffman had gotten the 5 additional votes and made it in this year to clear some of the backlog and just to get him off the ballot so those votes could go to more deserving players. Next year you would have to think Hoffman, Guerrero, C Jones and Thome all get in

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 07:46 AM) I would imagine that the Sox will be in the 6-10 range on Law's rankings. 6-10 sounds about right at this point, a dramatic improvement from a few months ago A Quintana deal would likely put us firmly #1-3 overall

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 09:42 AM) Straily and Gonzalez may be comparable pitchers but the trade isn't a benchmark to gauge Gonzalez's value at all. If Gonzalez had four times the control that he has the Sox would likely get 2-3x the return they'll likely get in return for him. Absolutely true, but he could net a decent return as a deadline rental on a contender that needs starting pitching depth for a stretch run, or in the event of injury? Is he a premium trade chip? No, but another season like 2016 could result in teams calling about him in June/July

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 09:36 AM) Yeah I was mostly responding to turnin two's argument. I do think this is helpful to see that if we get a nice performance out of one of our starters we could see these types of trades for Holland/MiGo/etc. We've been so focused on top of the line talent returns, it's hard to even figure out what those guys could get if flipped, and the teams that would be involved would be your Angels/Mariners/Marlins that are fringey contenders. Gonzalez quietly threw 135 pretty solid innings in 2016 and saved his career Another similar performance in 2017 and he could have value at the deadline for a team in need of starting pitching depth

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 05:17 PM) Not to demean your scouting eye, but this was one performance in the Arizona Fall League. That is way too small a sample size to conclude anything of significance. I am not suggesting that is an overall scouting report, but just based off of what we can see in his most recent game action He does not display much control in the video. The fastball is really good, albeit poorly located. The slider flashes 55, but is inconsistent. Control is below average Kopech is a talented project that will need 2 full minor league seasons of development at least

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 09:11 AM) Plus the Rays already dumped a pitcher. They don't appear to be going into full rebuild mode. It's Q or bust for these guys. At the deadline if he isn't traded yet, chances are he is the best option. Next winter, Arrieta is a free agent, maybe Tanaka and a 33 year old Cueto. Given Q's contract, do you want to give up prospects or an extra $100 million? He still is looking good. Getting Q for 4 years offsets a good portion of the 6 years of control for a top prospect. The White Sox should be asking for the moon because eventually some team will pay it. Agreed Many will say teams would rather give up only money to acquire a player, but that is not always the case. Making a +$100 million multi-year deal on a player over the age of 30 is risky in its own right. Quintana's deal allows you to potentially sign a big time free agent as well

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 09:06 AM) This thread is like a bunch of people standing outside the building where the World Series of Poker is happening, and people are complaining about Phil Hellmuths moves without even knowing what is happening inside Very true http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2687747...culation/page/5 This is from bleacher report today and suggests a Pirates offer of: Meadows + Glasnow + Diaz might work for both sides It suggests the White Sox will ask for Meadows + Glasnow + Keller, but the Pirates would be unwilling to part with that much. They could offer the lower tier Diaz instead to round out the package and fill in a platoon catcher option for the Sox. I'd love a Meadows + Glasnow + Newman deal

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) If you take Levine at face value, teams have recently upped their offers, so apparently not trading him previously was pretty wise. I also don't buy the Sonny Gray and Chris Archer rumors for the Astros. Frankly, Quintana is their only choice left this offseason if they want to acquire a TOR starter. A's aren't selling low on Gray and the Rays are not dealing 5 years of Archer for anything less than a monster haul.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 08:55 AM) Yeah, but it is Dan Straily. Straily and Quintana are not comparable whatsoever in terms of trade value One is a fringy 5th starter, the other is a consistent top 20 mlb starting pitcher

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 08:39 AM) The Marlins just traded 3 of their top 15 prospects, including their number 2 for Dan Straily. There is no way Hahn should lower his demands for Quintana. Big difference between the Marlins bottom 5 farm system and the Pirates/Yankees/Astros/Braves farms in quality The Marlins #2 might not crack the top ten in those other systems

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 04:02 PM) Lol, I thought the same thing. Assuming he meant Stroman. In watching this I am not sure I am as high on Kopech as I was before. This is him during the AFL this past fall. He does strike out Ian Happ twice, but seems to really struggle to get his fastball and slider over the plate. Several wild pitches, and the catcher throws out two runners at second on stolen bases. Explosive fastball 70-75 grade, fringe plus slider 50-55 grade, 40 grade control in my eyes He's a really risky prospect, but the Sox tend to develop pitchers pretty well

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) Heck, give me Rodgers, Dahl plus one more guy (even a lottery ticket) and I'll take that deal. They get to keep most of their prospect depth with a strong front package. A Rodgers + Dahl package would have the White Sox listening very closely I don't see the Rockies offering that much, but Rodgers + Dahl + lottery arm would be a great trade

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 01:26 PM) The only team that I'd really like to be more hot for Q and could be more of a player if we wait is the Yankees. If Q keeps being Q and the Yankees start off hot, then we will see a team with a great match for us looking to trade (moreso than now) But just as easily the Yanks could be completely out of it in June against a stacked division and re-commit to waiting on Torres/Frazier etc to bring them back. That is the only team with the prospect cache that makes less sense now. Teams like Padres, Brewers, Phillies etc are not going to be suddenly there with us in six months. Whereas the Rockies are so insane there is no need to ever wait. Our current group of Bucs, Braves, Houston are 3 great systems with a need. And frankly, I have no doubt we get a deal as good as that Samardjiza/Hammel deal. Most of us are proposing deals that are better than that, without a sweetener like Hammel. I'd love to see the Rockies make a play for Q and offer up Rodgers/Dahl, Hoffman/Pint, Murphy, Freeland, Tapia, Marquez (some combination of) Rodgers and Dahl are going to be studs

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 01:08 PM) If Quintana turns in a 4+ ERA it will still do serious damage to his stock no matter what his FIP or WAR winds up being. Be patient. Trust in the work that Hahn and Co. have done so far this offseason ti improve the club's future If the right deal is offered, take it. If not, then hold onto Quintana and reevaluate at the deadline. Taking a lesser offer could really damage the rebuild, we need to sell as high as possible on our final blue chip trade piece. The Sox need a return of potential franchise players for it to work. For all we know the White Sox rebuild plan could very well include other factors such as keeping Quintana for the time being. Yes, we will take a significant step back in 2017, but the team could bounce back sooner, rather than later with the right moves.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 12:28 PM) There's no guarantee that waiting results in a better offer though. In fact, many posters here have detailed why it's unlikely to expect better offer in the future than right now. That's not to say it's impossible to get a better offer by waiting, but the question quickly becomes how much is the potential upside worth relative to the potential downside of holding him into next season. I just can't put together a rational scenario where the market dynamics play out in such a way that the projected reward exceeds the incremental risks. Without knowing specific offers this obviously is just speculation, but passing on a strong offer now in hopes of a perfect offer later is a fool's bet. Quintana is too valuable to this rebuild to take that gamble. It's so hard to speculate when we really do not know what has or has not been offered for Quintana It's easy to sit back and criticize Hahn for being too picky, but he is the one in actual negotiations and has a sense of what his value really is. Sometimes it's about squeezing that additional player in a deal vs. getting exactly the headliner who you want

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) You Wouldn't sign Jose Q in 4 years from now I would. Quintana's next contract is not even worth discussing at this point. 4 years is an eternity in baseball

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 10:00 AM) I also fully believe that neither Moncada or Giolitto are available without their problems at the major league level last year. If they had a Gary Sanchez type of debut, they aren't White Sox today. Had Bregman, Swanson or Turner struggled I bet he would be in play as well I feel AJ Reed is very much in play for the Sox due to mlb struggles Giolito would never be traded if he went out there and looked dominant. Same goes with Glasnow. Moncada was brought up far too soon, and never played above AA ball. He needs time in AAA to work on some things before getting called up later in the season if he is ready. Ideally I would wait until next season to call him up and prevent his service clock from starting to tick.

QUOTE (fredmanrique @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) I would be fine meeting in the middle on a deal both sides could pick apart. Meadows, Keller, Newman, Diaz for Q and Jones They keep Glasnow and Bell, we dont get full value for Jones but we do get Meadows Why would we have to toss Jones into the picture to make that deal come together? Jones has significant value on his own after an excellent 2016 and the cheap contract he is signed to. I would be very upset if we essentially traded Jones for Diaz