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QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 03:02 PM) He thought Sale was a reliever too, and ranked him #67. He says 71. Josh Hader, LHP, Milwaukee Brewers has about a 40-50% chance of starting, even though he has thought it was a 0% chance in the past. These prospect rankings seem to overreact big time to small sample sizes of recent performance Torres is a good prospect, but how does he go from a 55 FV grade to a 65 FV grade in the span of a couple months? Scouting grades: Hit: 65 | Power: 55 | Run: 50 | Arm: 60 | Field: 55 | Overall: 65 . A 65 FV hit tool coupled with 22 grade power would make him a .290 - 300 hitter with 20-22 homers per season and elite defense. Not saying that is impossible, but Yankees prospects seem to be perpetually overrated. I think you could make the case that Brendan Rodgers at 55 FV is possibly underrated and Torres at 65 FV is a bit overrated

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 03:02 PM) He thought Sale was a reliever too, and ranked him #67. He says 71. Josh Hader, LHP, Milwaukee Brewers has about a 40-50% chance of starting, even though he has thought it was a 0% chance in the past. These prospect rankings seem to overreact big time to small sample sizes of recent performance Torres is a good prospect, but how does he go from a 55 FV grade to a 65 FV grade in the span of a couple months? Scouting grades: Hit: 65 | Power: 55 | Run: 50 | Arm: 60 | Field: 55 | Overall: 65 . A 65 FV hit tool coupled with 22 grade power would make him a .290 - 300 hitter with 20-22 homers per season and elite defense. Not saying that is impossible, but Yankees prospects seem to be perpetually overrated. I think you could make the case that Brendan Rodgers at 55 FV is possibly underrated and Torres at 65 FV is a bit overrated

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 04:35 PM) No they wouldn't. Jones is a year removed from being inactive for almost 2 years. Conforto is already in the show, had a down year but still generated a lot of hard contact. Trading a setup man for good chance at a productive outfielder especially with this teams farm setup is a no brainer to me. That said I doubt conforto is even as available as I discussed. I could see more scenarios where the Sox win a Conforto for Jones deal than us regretting dealing a setup man in the next few seasons Conforto seems to have the floor of a fourth outfielder and the ceiling of an above average regular He really struggles hitting the curveball, but is a great fastball hitter. He would be worth the risk, but I'm not certain the Mets want to move him

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 04:20 PM) I would be totally stoked about Jones for Conforto. Sox have had really good success on trades like that. We could use a potential starting outfielder more than a setup man for sure

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 04:08 PM) Jones for Conforto actually wouldn't be too far off. I've proposed that deal before and gotten mixed reactions. It's risky for both sides but I'd probably do it. Jones for Conforto straight up? Would be interesting, but I'd be curious to see what a quality season from Jones could get us at the deadline

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 03:58 PM) Good god man, get out of here with this garbage. Eaton has put .360 OBPs three straight years and has hit 14 HRs two straight years. Have you ever even looked at Adam's stats?? Tilson will never come close to providing those numbers. Saying that Tilsen is only a minor downgrade from Eaton is bogus, agreed Eaton was outstanding in right field defensively, a plus runner on the bases, hit for solid average and drew walks, as well as developed into a guy who could hit 15 homers a year Tilsen deserves a chance to prove himself, but he will never have over a .350 OBP or hit 15 home runs Charlie Tilsen's ceiling is realistically a quality fourth outfielder and/or spot starter on a competitive team. He will be given an opportunity to show he can play this year, but I see him topping out as a reserve

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 01:22 PM) Probably not but remember Adolfo was top ten last year. A much improved system from where it was prior to the Sale and Eaton deals, but still leaves a ton to be desired The Sox are still very thin on position player prospects that have the chance to be decent mlb players (Collins, Moncada, Basabe...Call, Fisher in the second tier...the list really tails off after that) We certainly have some of the best RH pitching prospects in the minors with Giolito, Kopech, Fulmer, Hansen, Burdi, Adams and Stephens

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 03:27 PM) An OF prospect who is 18 and a guy we can already plug in at catcher (or leave in the minors for however long it takes to gain an extra year of control)? I can dig it. Severino is great defensively, but outside of his inflated 18 game mlb cup of coffee he has been a pretty mediocre at best hitter A .632 OPS in his minor league career does not inspire me much that he can provide any offensive value in a starting role. He seems like the kind of player that could have a lengthy career as a backup catcher though. Soto is a rising prospect for sure, but I'm not certain I'd want to gamble that much on an 18 year old Soto, Severino plus one more lottery ticket would be a decent framework

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 02:37 PM) How are they going to be terrible if Robertson, Frazier and Abreu all rebound? Seriously that's like 4 wins if those guys "raise their value by the deadline", if Tilson can do anything positive in CF that probably makes up for losing Eaton by itself. Yea they'll get worse losing Sale no doubt but they wont completely fall to being one of the worst three teams in baseball. For them to win fewer than 70 games not only will Frazier, Abreu and Robertson not rebound, it'll probably means they got worse. Or worse yet Rodon and Anderson fall apart. Or nightmare scenario Q gets hurt. That's just as a team managing to """achieve""" a win total. If you want to talk about the offense falling into the woeful Philles/Brewers/Padres nightmare tier, especially with the great Minnesota Twins rotation serving up meat for 19 games, we are talking a cataclysm on offense. Like an absolute bloodbath where nobody is hitting anything. If that happens then you can bet there wont be much value getting improved for the deadline. Nobody seems willing to rectify this at all. Everyone just seems convinced that all the players they want traded will have MAGICAL years of resurgence and value raising, and that Rodon will have a massive season and that all their losses will become of the GRR VILLIANS like Avi and Tilson. Its all fantasy, its trying to convince yourself that what you want to happen for the Sox will happen. As other posters have said, nobody is talking magical or enormous seasons from Robertson, Frazier, Melky, etc. Even modest improvement or solid performance would help their values at the deadline The Sox are pretty clearly going to be willing sellers at the deadline barring a miracle performance in the first half, and it is not a given that you will have tons of other sellers willing to deal mlb pieces. Abreu could be a big bat at 1B or DH, especially if he is playing like he did in the second half of 2016 Modest improvement in batting average and OBP from Frazier, combined with the power could make him a valuable deadline piece. He brings a veteran presence and could play 3B, 1B or DH. Melky could play LF or DH and provide .280 - .340 numbers with a little pop for a contender Willing to rectify this how? Trade everyone for scraps right now and then do what? The Sox are fortunate you aren't making rash decisions for them

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 03:18 PM) Yah, a guy like Juan Soto would be interesting. Interesting idea Soto is at least 4 years away from the majors, if not more. He was awesome in rookie ball, but is only 18 years old and will need time to develop. The bat and power seem legit though Severino is a defense first backup catcher at worst, at best a solid mlb starter

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 12:35 PM) Oh that's pretty easy. He's been getting worse every year the last three years and last year he ran hot/cold all season falling apart at the most inopportune times. And his stuff doesn't look half as good evidenced by his exploding walk rates and near doubling of the line drive rate off his fastball. You can tell me all you want about his terrific 2011 season, but I dont think it has much bearing on what he'll do in the midst of a clear decline at age 32 with mounting injuries exacerbating his problems. How do you explain Robertson's strong finish to the season after August 12th? He only gave up 2 runs over his final 16 innings 16 ip , 11 hits, 7 walks, 22 k's, only 2 ER to finish the season That is rock solid production

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:35 AM) If you only look at the AB's where Jose Abreu got a hit he bat a perfect .1000 on the year! Incredible! Robertson is a case where I am 100% comfortable waiting until June to say I told you so. I hope to god its on a different team, even if they want to compete in 2017 (stupid, but whatever) they are better off shipping him out so hopefully that's what happens. I wonder what Rizzo would've added to the Eaton deal if the Sox would've included Robertson and not stuck to the silly "only sell one a piece at a time" mentality that really doesn't make too much sense. Pretty sure on behalf of all of SoxTalk, we are happy you are not the White Sox GM Hanging onto Robertson and not tossing him into the Eaton deal has been deemed a really good move because he can have nice deadline value on his own

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) How to Talk Baseball in 2017: 1) Pull up Fangraphs leaderboards 2) Regurgitate Allen definitely isn't an elite closer, but he's also definitely better than Robertson and no WAR figure calibrated to evaluate starting pitchers will convince me otherwise. From August 12th onward Roberston only gave up 2 earned runs in roughly 16 innings pitched with much better peripheral stats I really think Navarro's awful framing shares a significant amount of blame

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) How to Talk Baseball in 2017: 1) Pull up Fangraphs leaderboards 2) Regurgitate Allen definitely isn't an elite closer, but he's also definitely better than Robertson and no WAR figure calibrated to evaluate starting pitchers will convince me otherwise. Robertson is a solid, mid range closer or could be a very good setup man He's only 32 years old and likely has a few more productive seasons left in the tank Clearly he was a victim of our awful pitch framing in 2016 as his walk rate increased to nearly 5.0 BB/9 He's struck out 10.9 batters per 9 ip, which is really good To say Robertson sucks is flat out wrong, if he controls giving out free passes better in 2017 he should bounce back

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) There are players I have faith and there are players I dont. Robertson falls into the second category because he sucks. Robertson and Cody Allen produced the same WAR in 2016 (Fangraphs)...does Allen suck too?

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) That is one massive assumption for a pitcher who is very bad. I think it is reasonable for Robertson to cut his walks down in 2017 below 4.0 per 9 ip Robertson could be one of the better relievers on the market. Every season bullpen help gets traded. Have to have some faith, otherwise this rebuild will be dismal for you

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) He is convinced he is a reliever. So thus, no top 100. http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/nl/washin...reynaldo-lopez/ Pleskoff seems to think Lopez could be solid as a starter or a reliever FV 55 - A consistent member of the pitching staff

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:41 AM) Which goes a long way towards confirming the market that the Sox were trying to trade guys like Frazier, Cabrera, Robertson etc pretty much sucks, and it isn't some ridiculous conspiracy to try to win next year. Robertson's market should be better at the deadline assuming he pitches fairly well in 2017 Contending teams are always looking to add bullpen help for a stretch run. I don't think he brings back a Chapman or Miller type of return, but he could be one of the better relievers on the market.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:32 AM) He had Kopech ranked #45 at midseason last year, and wrote that after seeing him in the AFL that he showed top of the rotation potential, so I don't think he sees Kopech as a reliever. http://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/pleskoff-s...michael-kopech/ Pleskoff's scouting report from October 2016 on Kopech is pretty much glowing FV 60 - An All Star Quality Power Pitcher

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) Will he rank Kopech if he thinks he's a reliever? Kopech absolutely has the frame at 6'3" , 205 lbs to start in the majors His floor is as a reliever, but I firmly believe he will stick as a starter and do well

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:09 AM) The Tigers were an interesting mention that article. It was a pretty strong rumor that they were looking to move anyone and everyone this off season, even Miguel and Verlander. They moved basically no one. Verlander is still owed a ton of money on his contract and the Tigers want top prospects for him while also trying to contend

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 07:33 AM) That plan sets our franchise back another half decade. I get what you're doing, but that's not happening. Even talking fantasy those years would big time set our future back. Goes without saying the six aren't dealing moncada or to prospects anytime soon

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 10:02 PM) Lol, that Astros package would make me cry in happiness. That astros package could start the conversation for trout

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 04:09 PM) And as of right now, there really isn't a market for Melky or Frazier. Melky makes most sense for SF, but I don't think management really likes him after 2012. Melky and Frazier could certainly be solid trade chips at the deadline as a rental, especially in the event of an injury Maybe Frazier is having a big season in a contract year? I could see him being an attractive bat to a contender that needs a 3B, 1B or DH Nate Jones and David Robertson could be deadline bullpen help for a contender. Every seasons you see teams looking to add quality pen arms for a stretch run.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 04:07 PM) Who would you guys comp Collins to? Mike Napoli I think is a reasonable comparison to make for Zack Collins