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QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 15, 2017 -> 08:42 PM) Hopefully "sweetening the offers" doesnt mean the Astros are now ok making that Martes, Tucker, Musgrove trade. We don't know if there was any truth to that rumor Martes, musgrove and tucker would be a very solid haul. Musgrove was a top fifty prospect prior to getting called up and could be a really good mid rotation starter.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jan 15, 2017 -> 12:26 PM) If the Sox really believe in this player they can go over the international signing bonus and suffer the consequences: All overages are taxed at 100 percent. Exceed bonus pool by 5 to 10 percent: Team is not allowed to sign a player for more than $500K in the following international signing period. Exceed by 10 to 15 percent: Team is not allowed to sign a player for more than $300K in the following international signing period. Exceed by more than 15 percent: Team is not allowed to sign a player for more than $300K in the following two international signing periods. The Sox need All Stars at almost every position to compete for a World Series championship. that is also why Hahn will not trade Q for a bunch of prospects who might make it to the big leagues as average players. Q is the only player left on the roster that might bring back a A+ position player prospect. So the best way to get additional potential All Star type players is from he Draft or from the International signing pool. I say go for it. Try to get this player. Sox will be active in trying to acquire whatever difference making players they can in the coming years. They will have a ton of payroll flexibility as well.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) What do you mean? Like how well Frazier will have to play to be traded during the season? If that's what you're asking I think he just has to be on track to do what he did last year and teams will come calling. Frazier could be a solid source of power and defense at the deadline. Getting his stat line to be more like .250 avg .315 obj would help

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 06:18 PM) One thing worth thinking about - with the White Sox's projected 2019 roster, there would likely be some substantial benefit to signing a guy who has been in the league for a number of years, been in pennant races, and been in the playoffs. I wouldn't go into a playoff race with all 24 and 25 year olds, give me someone who has been there before so that they have someone to hear from. Sox will look to make some veteran signings to fill in what our farm system cannot. We have a solid core to build around moving forward

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) Salary difference there is substantial. Exactly. His contract is so inexpensive compared to what high end free agents would command. Quintana would certainly be looking at a 100 plus million contract

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 12:59 PM) If you believe Reed is a legit bounce-back candidate, this trade sets up our lineup nicely. 1B: Reed 2B: Moncada SS: Anderson 3B: Donaldson (more realistic than Machado) LF: Fisher/Call CF: Basabe/Call RF: Tucker DH: Abreu C: Collins Even with the addition of a guy like Donaldson, we'd still have plenty of money to work with to plug other holes, most likely in the OF or at DH. And we'd add two more promising young starters to an organization that already includes Rodon, Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer, Kopech, Adams, Stephens, Hansen, & Dunning. Throw in Burdi and that's a f***ton of pitching talent. That lineup could be very good at its ceiling with a blend of speed, defense and sluggers. Of the two somewhat realistic deals of martes, tucker, reed, Perez And Glasnow, Keller, Newman, Diaz Which would sox talk rather have? Tough call

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 08:42 PM) "Knockoff SB Nation tries to guess what Baseball America's top 100 would look like" Clickbait, and into the trash it goes. The format is annoying, but I wouldn't call these rankings way off from what other publications would rank. It's not quite trash, plus we don't have much hot stove action going on right now

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 10:47 PM) I still think the Astros eventually bite. Martes, Tucker, Reed, & Perez would be a nice haul IMO. That is the package I have been touting for awhile as making sense for each team. Astros get to keep Musgrove and only move prospects

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) Arietta is in the last year of his contract, Lackey is 36, Lester is not young. You could make a case that Quintana is a fit for the Cubs. Lackey is 38 and nearing the end of his career Arrieta is likely gone in free agency Cubs will need to address at least two starters via trade or free agency. I doubt a high profile trade goes down for Quintana.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 06:37 PM) Last year I was clammoring for them to use him as a starter, or at least try to. But since then, it seemed that never became an option. Really hoping this report is true and they give him a shot to start. 7 of his last 8 appearances were 2 IP appearances. Not much to lose in having him try starting for awhile. If we were contending in 2017 I'd rather see him out of the pen, but now that we're rebuilding why not?

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 05:59 PM) You gotta stop with all the love Mike. People will begin to suspect a bromance brewing. Seriously though. Right back at ya big guy. I enjoy reading your posts and your enthusiasm for all things White Sox is awesome. Just don't become too cynical of the Sox like the rest of us sad old f***s. Hahaha great posts Once Quintana gets dealt we can preemptively start the "who should the sox draft number 11 overall?" Thread

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 04:56 PM) The circles and circles Soxtalk has gone on this Q trade is impressive. All realistic teams covered. Packages analyzed and discussed. Man oh man, does it need a new meaningful transaction. Totally We really need to just be put out of our misery soon

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 04:16 PM) It would highly benefit the Sox FO to at least have the Cubs in the conversation. It doesnt even have to be serious just enough that other clubs have a motivation to push in more chips to make sure the Cubs dont just swoop in on Q. Pretty sure we are open to a Cubs deal Jimenez, Happ, Candelario and Cease/Zagunis would be a nice package

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 04:11 PM) I wonder how many 300+ page Q trade threads there will be before Q is traded. Alot Nothing much else going on in the baseball world right now Lets hope Ross signing with the Rangers pushes the market a bit, as no other starting pitching options (quality ones) really exist (Hammel? yuck)

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 03:57 PM) One that didnt go the Cubs way. The humanity. Very interesting I wonder if this pushes the Astros to make a move for Quintana Or the Cubs for that matter? Lackey and Arrieta are free agents and both are likely to leave after this season

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 03:48 PM) After reading that bit by the scout, Acuna sounds like he could be a hitter like Dunn or Carter. Low BA, High K-rate and plenty of power. Now that I think about it, take away Acuna's walks and he looks alot like Tank on paper. I know Acuna has tons of helium but IMHO, he's only good enough to be a third piece in a deal for Q. Acuna's top 50 Fansided ranking seems a bit high to me Third piece at best due to the risk

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 03:34 PM) So other than the fact he is hopeless at hitting a baseball sounds like a major leaguer...wait what http://www.baseballprospectus.com/prospect...ort=d&dir=d These are excellent eyewitness scouting reports (free) on various players Alec Hansen came up with a 55 Future grade, although it's early to tell. Guys I really like are: Franklin Perez with a 55 and a 70 future grade. I expect him to shoot up prospect lists this season.

QUOTE (GermanSoxFan @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 03:16 PM) The Rangers had no qualms about trading Demeritte for Lucas freaking Harrell. He isn't good enough to be a substantial piece for Q. Maybe in as a throw in like Diaz in the Sale trade. Likely due to Demeritte's 30-40 grade hit tool and long swing If he adjusts the rest of the tools exist for him to be a starter. It's arguably toughest for a guy to make a 30-40 grade hit tool play upto average than any other tool. His arm strength is good and he could potentially play third base in the future, but he's seen as a very risky prospect that might never make it out of AA ball http://www.baseballprospectus.com/prospect...hp?reportid=365 This scout is not convinced he sees Demeritte ever being able to hit .240 in the majors

QUOTE (ypres @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:14 AM) 220/280/440. 3 HR, 12 SB Yikes, that would be awful Not sure how Anderson's bat would regress that much to be a .220 hitter with his speed I'd like to see Anderson steal more often in 2017 and put that speed to use

QUOTE (pablo @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 03:06 PM) It sounds alot like a Javy Baez comp. I'd rather see Acuna as a 3rd piece but... Albies, Newcomb, Demeritte, Gohara/Fried? There's just a lot to choose from in the Braves system, it's crazy. Dustin Peterson is a guy that raked in AA this year and can't crack their top 10. Would probably between 7-10 for the Sox. Braves are not giving us Albies + Newcomb + Demeritte + Gohara/Fried That is three top 75 prospects (according to fansided) plus Demeritte I can't see Atlanta punting so much of its future like that, even for Quintana

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) Red flags exist for a lot of prospects. A 30% k rate is concerning, but much more concerning without walks. Kris Bryant k'd 30% of the time in AAA. He isn't just a good hitter he's an MVP. Demeritte has a 13% walk rate. High walk/High power, good d, high k is still a major leaguer. It's not enough to completely write him off as a 3rd piece in a deal. I'll give you that Demeritte looked solid in the AFL, and could be worth a look as a third piece. Certainly too risky for a 1st or 2nd piece though in my opinion Kris Bryant did not have a 40 hit tool though like Demeritte

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 02:39 PM) Astros - need more; switch out Paulino Pirates - add on back end Yankees- not sure; nix to Judge Rockies - Absolutely Yes I'd rather have AJ Reed and Franklin Perez than Paulino AJ Reed is expendable for the Astros, as he will likely not crack the major league roster unless injuries occur Perez is a ways from the majors, but pitching in A ball at age 18 is impressive Tucker/Martes/Reed/Perez = Deal Pirates = Glasnow or Meadows must be in the deal + Keller + Newman + lower level prospect (Ideally Diaz) Pirates offer sounds like asking alot, but adding Quintana and taking nothing off the major league roster would be a great move for them Yankees = they are out in my opinion. They tried to float Judge/Mateo as headlienrs and the Sox said no way Rockies = Dahl + Rodgers + one lower level flyer would be terrific. Doubtful they do this though

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 02:30 PM) Demeritte K's a lot but has a good walk rate. I think the bigger question will be his "off the field" issues, and that's a thing where I'm working at such an info disadvantage it's hard to care about in speculation. Bmags, the issue I see is that high walk rate is likely to decrease facing AA / AAA pitchers with better control the K% rate is likely to increase 33% against A ball pitching does not bode well in the higher levels. Can he improve? Maybe, but the red flags exist

QUOTE (pablo @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 02:28 PM) I retract my last proposal. Drinking the Acuna kool-aid a bit too much right now. Albies would need to be in a Braves deal. Haha no worries Eventually all this speculation starts to warp our brains as we lose sense of value Dig into a prospect long enough and eveybody sucks haha

QUOTE (pablo @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 02:21 PM) Albies, Newcomb, Acuna would be a very enticing package to start with. Someone brought up Demeritte earlier and I would definitely have interest in him. He K's at a such a crazy rate though. I think it was north of 30% or something. But a package of Newcomb, Acuna, Fried/Gohara, Demeritte would be interesting depending on what you believe Acuna's future is. No "headliner" in the deal, but Acuna is rocketing up prospect charts. Newcomb/Acuna isn't headlining a Quintana deal Newcomb's control is a big question mark. I like hi mas a prospect, but as a second piece. Acuna is very far from the majors, too risky to headline or be more than a third piece Albies would undoubtedly have to be in the deal Demeritte strikes out way too much for me. Posting a 33% K rate in high A ball is beyond alarming. AA and AAA pitching will eat him alive unless he gets the strikeouts under control.