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of course he would say that...

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2016 -> 05:03 PM) Robertson with the Yankees as Mariano's apprentice/set-up guy and then full-time closer. That's about it. Putnam didn't last with the Cubs. Jones has flashed potential. Petricka the same, both failed starters. Duke has only been good for that one season in MIL. Jennings was "decent" for the Marlins. Albers has a pretty decent track record, but not of pitching like he did before that Baltimore series showed the crack in the dam. Right that's kind of what im getting at... our bullpen isn't filled with guys with a ton of success in their past. Bullpen pitching is very fickle but if you look at we got - there is a lot of vulnerability there.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2016 -> 05:00 PM) Technically, despite 11 runs allowed the first two games, they still entered as 4th or 5th in AL bullpen ERA entering today's games. Want to say 4th. But surely during this 4-14 stretch, it has to be the worst bullpen in the AL by a safe margin. Not enough to wipe out the first 33 games of good work though. Right... I'm just saying if you look at the group on paper - they look avg at best but potentially bad... now no one could have ever imagined this bad...

Who in the bullpen is great? or has a history of being great? Or even a history of being good?

If you honestly think about it... Nate Jones - good fast ball but no control, a one pitch pitcher with no control... not going to work well. Dan Jennings - avg stuff no control. Matt Albers - looked great early but never had over powering stuff or a lot of pitches to choose from. Zach Duke - had to re-invent himself to get a 2nd chance at the majors... not overwhelming stuff and never has gotten people out consistently. Zach Putnam - has been good lately but never been consistently good over the years. Robertson - is decent at times but wilts quickly when things are going against him. Good control and curveball but a very underwhelming fast ball for a closer with 2 pitches. There are some various no names that I left out here. But if you look at that bullpen, objectively - it's certainly not great, its average at best - with a capability to be horrifically bad wit the lack of control and stuff.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 29, 2016 -> 04:26 PM) Baffling that you can look at this and think the manager is the problem. s***'s going bad and it is a clearly a very multi-faceted problem There isn't one person who thinks it's just the manager. The manager is just one part of the problem... really don't see what it hurts to try something different. this team has been mentally weak for 4 years... they collapse in key moments - it's what they do.

lose lose lose lose and lose some more. Then when he talks it sounds like the teacher from Charlie Brown.

Shows you how fickle baseball is... Sale hit pretty hard the last two innings but no runs cross.

WTF are you swinging at Lawrie...

Stone smoking some goooood stuff... Said Sale been about unhittable since 1st inning. Not sure what game he has been watching.

well at least the offense has been tenacious the past few games... Now lets clench up and hope the pitching can hold steady.

Navarro's little league catching skills cost Sale two strikes there. Especially with this blind F****** umpire

problem is Avi had to take a strike for Navarro to reach 2nd. This team is so mentally fragile that even that little thing kills them.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ May 28, 2016 -> 08:54 PM) Manager doesn't matter. You can get to and maybe win a World Series with Ned Yost or Terry Collins, or Ozzie f***ing Guillen. I'd say out of the major pro sports... yeah they have the least impact. But "it doesn't matter"..... I think that's a bit unrealistic.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ May 28, 2016 -> 06:09 PM) Come on. I'm being patient for a 4-13 stretch. It just feels like the success this team had early was a mirage... I hope you are right Mr. Hibbard. But I have this dreadful, very realistic feeling that I am right about this team and managers future. I'd be very greatful to eat crow.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 28, 2016 -> 06:21 PM) The point is still the same, until guys start doing their job out of the bullpen, it doesn't matter. Robertson blew it for sure. But we have gotten new players the past few years and tried to win... but the same things keep happening. It's only logical to try different coaches. At some point when your manager has the worse winning % it team history... you just might want to conclude the manager isn't very good.

They have done what they have always done under Ventura... when its time to get key wins against divisional foes - they turtle up. It's been that way for 4 years. Yeah the current state of affairs as it the white sox are still in it... But it sure feels the same as the past 4 years. I wish it was different this year - but it really doesn't feel different.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ May 28, 2016 -> 05:13 PM) Why yes, I have. I'm still not completely panicking. This team needs to make some moves. As unsustainable as 23-10 was, 4-13 is also unsustainable. Your a patient man... 4 years is a bit too long for me.

How about bringing Kahnle to start the 9th....

It's also at the point where giving another manager a shot couldn't hurt... we have to try something. This leadership hasn't worked going on 4 years.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 28, 2016 -> 04:57 PM) He's definitely not at fault today. He managed some things poorly yesterday but millionaire athletes need to do their jobs properly. Fire him. Don't fire him. People greatly overrate the impact of a manager. How could you "definitely" say he was not at fault? Every move he made with the pitchers failed... you thought bringing in a guy with zero experience when the titanic was sinking was a good move? "definitely"? He was completely a part of the problem..

Wish I could just stop watching... at some point I really need to. I used to get bored and stop watching when they lost in the early 2000's... wish I could get back to that.

okay tied for first... your kind of missing the point of my post. That the people who kept saying that were missing the slowing dropping nuclear bomb that was headed their way.

lol

This has to be cleansed... we tried cleansing some players it hasn't worked.