Bob Sacamano

Worth mentioning Buehrle didn't receive a QO. Many on here insisted he would.

We don't know what Shark could have gotten, but before deadline when we were winning, there was a tweet saying sox had a deal in place with SF for Shark but wanted to wait and see. I think it was the next day Giants got Leake for their number one prospect Keury Mella. I believe that's who we could have gotten.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 10:38 AM) NY Post did predictions. Had us signing Desmond for 5/80 I'd s*** myself if we did that. In a good or bad way?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) What the White Sox need to do is go crazy during the Latin signing period. Any team that rebuilds through the draft will need a long time and some big breaks. The Cubs don't have a bunch of their draft picks on the field. KC with all their top 5 picks the last 10-12 years didn't have a huge amount of their draft picks on the field. A case could be made that the White Sox actually had a better draft than KC each of the past 6 years. They need to get a big influx of international guys. Pay the penalty over paying a Howie Kendrick. Through the draft you get one first round pick a year. Taking the penalty internationally you can get 2 or 3 . Yes they need to go out guns blazing next period with no Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Yankees and Red Sox being able to.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) How is the order of the comp picks chosen? 20 QOs could mean that pick becomes a few slots higher than previously thought. I think it's the order the free agents sign. So we want Samardzija to sign quick.

Fister was not offered a QO. I know someone had mentioned him in a thread yesterday.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 03:09 PM) If Frazier cant be had for a reasonable price, I see the Sox going after Freese pretty quickly Yeah I'd rather sign Freese than trading for someone else giving up significant pieces.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) One day of watching him try to catch would make the team scrap it's plan. It would never work, and would probably piss off a lot of your roster. I don't know if you're making a serious assessment but none of the previous posts about LaRoche catching were serious.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) That's awesome. I think he'd probably call his agent and you'd have a grievance on your hands. The way around a grievance could be that you will make him catch without giving him the option of retiring to make it less threatening. That way he can decide he doesn't want to catch an go out on his own

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 01:19 PM) It is that time of year where every baseball pundit writes junk articles to justify their pay. Most of the opinions( little or no research/sources are involved) are less accurate than the TV weatherman's forecasts. Literally impossible to predict a teams' offseasons. People you may expect to be on the roster end up getting dealt and throw a wrench in the prediction.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:13 AM) Jesus, that's how many surgeries for Micah now? Kid is made of glass. Yeah I don't think he has a future here personally. I think he gets dealt this offseason.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 08:41 PM) Wonder if we'll get some more activity next week during the GM meetings. More than usual at the November gm meetings I'm sure.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) Again, the White Sox held all the cards. If a team wanted to give Alexei more than the QO and relinquish a draft pick, the White Sox certainly wouldn't have spent $1 million buying him out. They simply would have exercised the option and traded him, saving $1 million and adding talent to the organization. If you don't want to pay a guy $10 million and are willing to pay $1 million to get out of it, you don't go risking almost $16 million to hopefully obtain another draft pick. I guess that's a good point. They could have picked it up and moved him for anything.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 12:02 PM) I don't know about deferred money. Are we still paying Konerko? Buyouts happened in '15 not '16. As far as Turner and the other spots I made it pretty clear I was saying X amount of players costed Y amount of money. I know it wasn't perfect but more of where we are at with the most likely candidates on the roster. I think the buyout figure occurs the following season.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 12:19 PM) They can't decline his option and then offer him a QO anyway. Doesn't work that way. Oh that only applies to player options? Then this whole discussion is moot anyway. I really just got bored at work (first full time finance job stuck at a desk all day) and it crossed my mind. Back on topic: Alexei will re-sign with the Sox.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) If you think he will re-sign for a year, why wouldn't you think he wouldn't take the $15.8 million QO? Plus the million, that would be almost $17 million for 1 year. It was a scenario (like I explained if you actually took the time to read the original post) where Alexei made it clear he wanted a multiyear deal and wouldn't negotiate a one year deal at a reduced cost and they talked about it when discussing a new deal for next season before declining the option. Being far apart, they decide to offer a QO knowing he wants more than 1 yr/15.8 mill (maybe he thinks he can get 2-3 years 18-30 mill on the open market? Fa market isn't exactly good for infielders). I'm not saying this is what happened and in all likeliness didn't, but it was an angle I felt like tossing out there.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 11:50 AM) Why would the White Sox decline a $10 million option on Alexei, buy him out for $1 million, and then give him a QO? It appears we have a poster or 2 that has a serious crack habit. You don't pay $1 million to get out of a $10 million commitment, and then give something that is worth more than $15 million. If the White Sox didn't want Alexei and thought he could get more than $10 million on the open market, they would have saved themselves $1 million, exercised the option, and traded him. This was all under the assumption that they knew he'd decline it due to wanting more guaranteed money (not more annually than the QO but still more than he could make accepting a QO, sucking, and then finding no work next season). I know it won't happen either but it was just a topic I felt like bringing to the table. I'm actually one of the few in here that believes he will re-sign with us on a year (with option possibly) deal.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) Assuming $18-$30 would be his market, yes, I think making a QO would be the right call. He may be a nice alternative for a team that misses out on Desmond. Would be crazy if we ended up getting 2 comp picks for next year.

Hypothetically speaking, if the Sox and Alexei discussed a deal to come back prior to declining the option but he wanted a 2 or 3 year deal worth around 18-30 mill (more guaranteed money than accepting a QO) would it be smart to offer him a QO knowing he's seeking a multi-year deal? I'm not advocating doing it but it's something that could be talked about or debated on here.

I was just thinking of scenarios where we could land Heyward and I think if we offered a long deal (something around 8-10 years) with player options every year after year 4/5, it'd be an interesting proposal for him. That way we have him for guaranteed 4-5 years and he can become a free agent to cash in again basically every year after that. If he has a bad year, he exercises his player option and if he has a bounceback year the following year, he can opt out. Players almost always decline their player option so when that happens, we could offer a QO and get a draft pick for him. Just trying to think outside the box.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 06:15 PM) If we're relying on Freese to be a big upgrade, we're punting the season anyways. Hold onto your big three starters and give guys like Saladino, Sanchez, Micah, Avi, & Thompson a look on the position player side. Target 2017 to be the year we're serious about competing. Having said that, why can't we trade minor leaguers or sign better free agents than Freese to fill needs? Why does it have to Quintana or nothing? Because the guys people on here actually want to trade are guys who won't bring in anyone "significant." They can bring someone in but doubt it would make a difference.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 06:05 PM) I agree about Arenado, but completely disagree on Freese. We need significant upgrades at several positions if we want to compete next year and 3B is perhaps our biggest opportunity spot. Having said that, Freese is a moderate upgrade at best. Might as well give Saladino a look if the alternative is a 34 year old free agent with 2 WAR upside. Then I guess we're dealing Quintana otherwise we aren't getting a significant upgrade. My idea of having Freese keeps our pitching staff intact which it won't be if we upgrade significantly at multiple spots.

Ok guys we're not getting Arenado. I think we end up signing Freese who wouldn't be a bad pickup.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 05:01 PM) Or Garcia's depending on what happens. You want Trayce in the outfield where most of his value is derived. We'll obviously. I didn't mean for him to DH. Against lefties, Melky and Garcia would.

He'd be a good platoon mate with LaRoche but I think that's Thompson's job next season.