Tony

This. The logic people use in their argument for bringing Ozzie back makes zero sense. "The White Sox have been bad for so long, and it's the guys running the show for the last two decades that are the problem! You know what will fix it? Bringing someone back from 15 years ago that this current regime hired, and fired..that will solve it!" One manager has had success with this organization in this era, and it was incredibly short lived. An MLB team in 2023 can do much better than Ozzie Guillen as manager. Additionally, and maybe most importantly, the manager isn't going to change things. If Ozzie Guillen, or AJ Hinch, or Brian Snitker or Dave Roberts was managing the White Sox in 2023, their record isn't much different. A manager is not buying the Sox 10, 12, 15 more wins. The roster is flawed, the player development is flawed, the analytical foundation is flawed, the culture is flawed. That starts at the top. It all needs to be started over.

Heard on the radio yesterday by the end of the year, the Sox will have the 28th "best" record in baseball over the last decade, the Royals have a better record over the last 10 years than the Sox.

Ask Rick after the parade

Put even more simply, if the Sox win the World Series in 2021 or 2022 and Lynn plays a big role in it...it's a great trade. Lynn helped them accomplish very little, and in 2023 and beyond, Dunning would be a valuable piece to the organization moving forward. It was a good trade if the Sox could have capitalized on his first two years. They didn't.

Good luck in 2024 ?

Come on, no one was buying a ticket because they wanted to see Jake Burger.

0% of the board wants to punt the next 4 years. That’s what you have always failed to understand in your blind optimism of the White Sox. We just have no confidence this front office can put together anything that would be considered a “consistent contender” because…there is no history to tell us they can.

Right, I was wondering the origin. Sox social or somewhere else on the internet

Serious question, does anyone remember where the “TNT” nickname started for Trayce when he was on the Sox?

This alone makes a season long investment totally worth it, especially when you figure there have been two home playoff games in the last decade. Well played.

White Sox Baseball is like having a drunk, abusive father. You’re born into it and really can’t do much to change it. You realize they are never going to change but you hold out hope things will change, and never do. Every so often they’ll surprise you with a good deed, and you think this may be the turning point, but they always go back to their old ways. You’ve given up on them, but deep down all you want is for them to love you back, even though you know it won’t happen. (After I wrote that I realized how dark that was, and thankful my dad has zero of those qualities ?)

Aren’t you supposed to gain wisdom as you get older?

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This would work...

Yeah, I’m not comfortable resting on an old phrase to base actual roster decisions on. I’ve said for the last year + none of this matters until new leadership is brought in. No matter what route they go, it’s all pointless. But I can’t get on board with “Hey, let’s root for them just getting lucky one year, maybe it all comes together like it did in 2005” That’s not good enough. Jerry only has so much time left, based on the current construction of this organization, I’d rather them move the spare parts for younger players that ideally someone else can leverage as the years go on, hopefully they hit on a few. That’s about the best we can hope for. Running it back with the same group next year is insane

I know you're just trolling now, but based on the last two years+, especially the results this season...what gives you ANY hope that 2024 will be a competitive year of White Sox baseball? The "core" is not good and there is nothing in the farm system to help. No one, and I mean NO ONE, is pining for another rebuild, especially at the hands of Rick Hahn. We've been down that road before. It's not going to work. But building a competitive roster to compete for a World Series isn't going to work either, he's not capable of it. The only hope is for everyone to get fired, outside of that, it's the same bullshit year in and year out. Why is that so hard to understand?

Wow that came out of no where.

This of course is after Rick said they wanted to hire someone with recent playoff success as a manager. They then went with TLR, but Rick was seemingly in charge of hiring whoever he wanted with this manager…and went with Pedro. Insane

Just because you don’t understand it, doesn’t make it stupid.

Eh, I don’t know how you salvage 2024. Ohtani isn’t saving the Sox. Say you went crazy, signed Ohtani. Brought back Gio and Lynn. You still would have huge holes at C, 2B, RF, plus Anderson, Moncada, Vaughn, Eloy all kind of being..bad. I honestly don’t see any scenario where the Sox are “good” in 2024. Like, 6-7 players would have to just have complete, out of their minds, top of their celling type seasons for it to be a good team. They just don’t have the bodies.

This is the main reason the window was always going to be 2020-2023. You could see it coming years ago. If Crochet was turned into a starter and Kopech had developed the way they wanted, they would be in a decent spot, but the odds of both of them developing was always a longshot. There weren’t many circumstances Gio was going to be resigned and Lance Lynn is going to be 37 in 2024. Again, that’s why all of this is pointless. The window is closed, there is absolutely no pitching depth in the organization, and Rick will seemingly be tasked with rebuilding the rebuild. Never been a worse time to be a Sox fan.

This is an absolute crock of s%*#. The Indians, Twins, Brewers, Rays, f***, the Marlins, have way harsher payroll restrictions than the Sox and have had way more success than the Sox/Hahn. Not being able to sign a player for 300 million doesn’t mean consistent winners can’t happen. Far from it.

Kind of agree. I'm sure he won't because it's the Sox, but fun to have a unique guy in the system