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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 12:41 PM) Just add Rollins to the ever growing list of players that the Sox get past their primes. Griffey, Ramirez, Vizquel, Jones, Dunn, LaRoche, etc. It's pathetic. Yeah! And what's the deal with signing Jeremy Guthrie, Casey Janssen, Clint Barmes, Brian Duensing, Carlos Marmol, Craig Breslow, Hideki Okajima, Fernando Rodney, Brendan Ryan, and Carlos Quentin?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 04:00 PM) I'd take a.) Gordon. b) Upton. c.) Ces. Same here.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:29 PM) Is this a Rick Hahn or KW production, or do we have to see how they perform to determine? I approve of this post.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 12:43 AM) Oh boy. Adrian Beltre, considered to be one of the best defensive third basemen of our time, sandwiched a -1.1 UZR season with 18.5 and 11.7 seasons. Guys have off years with the glove and the bat. Lawrie is a talented defender. This was a good trade. Since it was with the A's, I figured they'd give up someone I hated, but this was a very good deal. Which years were those?

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:10 PM) During Hahns last update earlier this evening he said they were talking and Jerry is the one who tends to be aggressive been trying to find the post but that makes you think they may indeed be working on something larger the fact that JR is even involved. And I doubt he'd be involved in Brett Lawrie discussions. Please dude, punctuation!

Ugh.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 01:28 AM) Only on planet Pollyanna. Reality = true. Not true in this or any other known world.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 11:11 PM) That's why you draft pitcher, like the Sox do. So you can groom replacements. Draft enough of them, you'll get the replacements. Speaking of blowing, that's what this team does for the foreseeable future, as constructed. And that drafted pitcher could suck. Meanwhile, you've traded away a cost-comtrolled, young, in his prime, top ace who has already proven himself for a... maybe. No thank you.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 01:00 AM) Anyone can take a guess as to what might happen and end up looking brilliant in the future if they were correct. It would seem, though, that if it was really true that it was inherently obvious that Jeff Samardzija would have a terrible year, then one is left wondering what is wrong with the people who run this team? Are they so stupid as to miss this obvious mistake? I fully realize that this organization is not the most competent one out there, but I am not a believer that they are so incompetent that they would miss the most obvious things in the baseball world. Making a trade, giving up a few prospects and quasi-big league players, for a guy who is, in the very least, a workhorse pitcher makes complete sense to me. The idea was that we would sign him to a contract extension should things work out. Our rotation would be further bolstered for years by a good Samardzija. There was even seemingly some mutual interest early in his tenure in Chicago. Then things derailed. The fact of the matter is, it didn't work out. People who were nay saying were correct. But it made sense. I'd do the trade again, in a heart beat, to potentially acquire another piece of the rotation puzzle. However, from the comments I have read about how really obvious it was to some that this wouldn't work out, then I must be just as ignorant as our front office. I guess we're all just a bunch of damned fools. Shucks... If I were JR, I'd sign onto this website and private message everyone here who knows better then his team. Get that advice on big time decisions instead of listening to someone who graduated from Harvard and a bunch of people who have been around baseball their entire lives who are paid to make these decisions. Big time decisions can be tough to make, this was one of them, it didn't work out, and at the end of the day to anyone who ended up correct, I still say to them... Good guess. Absolutely.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 05:20 PM) A 73 win team trading 4 players, 3 of whom would have helped the team (the fourth a prospect) for a 1-year rent, is not well-conceived, even had Samardzija pitched as people thought. I guess the Sox thought they could contend, but that was howling at the moon. Hopefully they are more sensible this off-season. Only Semien had a possible future with the Sox among the 4 traded, and Sanchez is a lateral move replacement for him, given Sanchez's superior defense. The Sox gave up nothing they could not afford to. Pretending otherwise doesn't make it so. Answer this question: Do you think any team would pay $90 million over 5 years to acquire those 4 players?

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 04:53 PM) An organization named the White Sox didn't agree with you in the last off season. The Sox like to throw money at veteran NL talent that can't play in the AL. Not true.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 06:28 PM) Apparently that's a severe underpayment by the Dodgers. You guys are also right, I shouldn't compare Santana with Sale because Santana was by far the best pitcher in baseball at the time of the trade and of his generation. Contract.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 09:02 PM) If someone offers Hahn a Herschel Walker trade for Sale, then pull the trigger. Sale is great but the Sox are an organization with no identity or plan right now. I'd like to see them try to build a consistent winner rather than try to throw crap at the wall every year to see what sticks. I disagree.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 03:49 PM) Oh, they can get a ton of ranked prospects. The problem is, you can't trade Chris Sale for prospects and have those prospects bust. Like the Reed/Davidson trade where the line "I'd make that trade 10 times out of 10" was invented. That can't happen for Sale or Q or Rodon. People b****ed and moaned KW traded not so good prospects and got some major league value back. Trading prospects who turn into tremendous major leaguers for more maybes is a way to keep your team bad for a long time. This x100. "Maybes" are called such for a good reason, after all.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 07:09 PM) The state of catching these days is pretty damn thin, so I guess this could do for a year. It's not going to get much better next year.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 12:08 PM) So when is it ok for a manager to argue and when is it not ok? Mike was doing his job, that's not bush league to me. If he was out of line then the ump should have ran him, that's on the umpire, not on Scioscia. But it's baseball and some player is always crying about some type of unwritten rule. While I think unwritten rules are for the most part silly, this is not such a case. Scoscia (sp?) was breaking a written official rule at the time. It's like saying a player is invoking a unwritten rule when he complains that a player pushed him off the base he was standing on and then tagged him and the umpire called him out (happened to Tim Raines in the 93 ALCS against Toronto).

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 11:43 AM) White Sox will never deliberately operate at a loss like the Tigers. And that is exclusively on the owner. No GM of any sports franchise tells an owner, "No, that's ok, I'd rather not spend the extra money to acquire talent, thank you anyway."

I think it comes down to this for some fans. We all root for the players to do well and actually like most of the players on the team, especially the good players. We fans don't have the same emotional investment in management, however. Thus, when something goes wrong, emotionally some fans would rather blame management than the player for the player's failing. As has been noted a few times already in the this thread, if we fans understand what should have happened on that play, what would make us think that Jose Abreu doesn't understand what he should have done, or that management doesn't understand what should have been done on that play? Another Sox fan who posts on another forum is famous (or infamous, depending on your perspective) for saying "I wonder sometimes if some Sox fans watch other teams play, even while they are playing the Sox." One of my best friends is a Detroit Tigers fan. If you listened to him talk sometimes, you would swear he was talking about the Sox if he wasn't using proper nouns. We often times just register what our emotions allow us to.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 01:32 AM) by default, the actions of not trading shark. we as fans can assume that by the following results: a. the sox were undecided on what they wanted to do. sources>>> mlb rumors. b. the sox waited too long to decide and the market wasn't there. >>> no trade c. the sox must have had offers on the table that were batter than a comp pick coming back. now the value of those picks come into question. a and c are not indications that they didn't follow their plan.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:49 PM) If that's the case, then the White Sox don't have to worry about bandwagon fans or excuses, they should just do what they think is best for the organization at all times. That's not the theme we've heard for the last decade...that the White Sox can't afford to rebuild because the fanbase won't have the patience or tolerance to accept it. And the problem with the rebuild approach is we didn't even follow that plan today. The only other AL Central team who didn't do much in the last week has a better future (Twins), the Tigers added a lot of prospects/pieces, the Royals are still in a good position through 2017...the best we can argue is that we MIGHT be better off than the Indians at this point. How do any of us know they didn't? Do you know what was offered for Shark, or asked for in return?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:37 PM) Fair enough, but everything's going to reset to "normal" for the last couple of seasons attendance-wise, except for fans of the Yankees and Cubs. If they're more concerned about the PR consequences of trading Shark than they are about replacing C/3B/RF/DH/pitching depth, then that's a problem, because that kind of indecisiveness or paralysis by analysis will lead you to nowhere but mediocrity. We were kind of like the equivalent of the Twins and Rays at the deadline...just meh. At least the Cubs and Twins fans understand (intellectually) their teams got their into contention one year early...and that the odds are probably 25% at best of making the playoffs. On the other hand, Sox fans probably believed their chances were about 10% at best and the work of improving the team and contending for next season got all that much more difficult when there aren't any solutions at C/3B in the FA market. They'll probably pick up a starter (definitely not Shark, and counting on E.Johnson and Danks and selling season tickets based on being in a competitiveness window is nuts if that's their approach) and someone to compete with Garcia, but it won't be a big addition like Heyward/Gordon/Cespedes or even Zobrist. With a more stable fan base, the team could have taken a more conservative approaching, knowing that people would have come back next year. The White Sox don't have that luxury. Much like a boy band, the window is short. And just killed that window by standing in place and doing nothing. Either go with the KW bravado and try for the playoffs with veterans/big names or go with Hahn's long-term patience/building with younger players with potential approach by trading Samardzija for another version of Montas/Avi. We got neither approach. Just more mediocrity, more sub .500 finishes. We're unlikely to see any more 50+ page game threads over the remainder of the season. The bandwagon will disappear as quickly as it formed. I disagree. Trading to appease fans who want to "do something, anything!!!" is never the right move. If the right deal doesn't materialize, so be it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 05:33 PM) Then they weren't willing to trade Jeff Samardzija. That's pretty straightforward to me. How does the fact that he wasn't traded indicate that they were unwilling to do so? Should we also assume that they were unwilling to trade LaRoche for Trout?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 05:28 PM) Did they trade Jeff Samardzija? Of course not. Why do you ask?

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) I'm actually more pissed off they were unwilling to trade Shark than acquiring anything. This team is NOT going to the playoffs, but we're also not going next year unless drastic improvements are made across the roster. I have a feeling we'll remember this season more for the useless 7-1 run at the trade deadline and it's impact on our future more than anything else. How do you know they weren't willing?

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:21 PM) LOL - problem solved will be you just going back to what you do best, which is your negative nattering about the fan base. I'll just go on and continue to enjoy discussing things with those posters who actually understand what's going on. As opposed to positively bash?