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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) I think it continues the "High spending, low impact, weak system" philosophy we've seen and failed with for the last decade. We'll get a fine player, but even when we dump a ton of money into a back loaded contract for an OF in a couple weeks, we'll still be FAR behind the teams at the top of the division that have developed their own guys, we'll still see the same failures, we have absolutely zero depth if anyone gets hurt, and even with the big spending OF we'll still have multiple major holes in the lineup. And no, I can't tell you which guy the White Sox acquire will underperform, or which guy will get hurt, but it's the same gamble as last year. Bet the house, no plans for what to do when things go wrong, ignore the fact that things do go wrong. Same story again and again. I disagree that we'd be FAR behind the teams in our division. What have the Twins done? The Royals lost a ton this offseason and got career years out of a few guys. The Indians should be better in 2016 than in 2015 but they're far from some juggernaut of a team. The Tigers still have little pitching. The AL Central is pretty wide open.

Apparently we should just never acquire another player ever again because they will inevitably suck once they put on a White Sox uniform. C'mon, there's not some kind of curse in our uniforms.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:59 AM) Lol. This is the White Sox we're talking about. I fully expect Frazier to put up a .210/.280/.350 slash line or something. Career low for him, as is White Sox tradition. At some point a guy has to come in and perform to expectations, right?

I liked Montas here more than most, and I liked Trayce too, but I really like not giving up Anderson or Fulmer in the deal. However, my feelings on this move all depend on getting another OF.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:28 AM) For sure. Other teams offered him $200 million guaranteed though so he technically did turn down more money. True but he's taking a small gamble on himself to make a lot more, and if the gamble fails he will still make a ton of money.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:57 AM) I think - not sure, but I think - I had a major major detail spoiled on an unrelated subreddit yesterday, completely out of nowhere. So I'm also done with the internet for a bit. Yeah probably a good idea to avoid Reddit until you see it. The mods of several subreddits have been laying down bans left and right for spoilers, and it will only get worse.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) You don't remember KW's can't spend $1 when you have fifty cents quote apparently? Where were you? I hate the way the franchise is being mismanaged and has become nearly irrelevant. Apparently you are in the dwindling minority that feels things are just great and no changes need to be made. Might as well go hang out with Chris Rongey in a luxury suite and sing kumbaya. So not endlessly b****ing and moaning means you just believe everything is rainbows and daisies?

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:41 PM) Prince had 1 bad year. Yes his contract is really bad, but the Rangers aren't dumping him for nothing. They are trying to win now and Prince will help them do that. Trading the farm for Hamels and then dumping Prince for our trash would be questionable at best. Nor should we be looking to absorb that contract either. Edit: The Tigers are still on the hook for $30M of Fielder's contract. So that means Texas has him at 5/$90M going forward. Which sounds about market value...he might even get more than that if he was a FA right now. So yeah, he's not getting traded for LaRoche. He put up an .841 OPS and still only accumulated 1.6 WAR. He would not get that much money as a DH on the free agent market, he'll be 32 next year, and does not have the type of body that ages well. 5/$90M going forward is a terrible contract that I want no part of, Tigers got lucky.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 07:20 PM) Wouldn't it have been a lot better to have traded Robertson's relatively higher salary to the Yankees last July, gotten a prospect or two back, and then spent a lot less on K-Rod for this year? Even if we were able to trade Robertson for Puig+, which is dubious...you'd then have Nate Jones or Petricka as your closer and that's going to end up with so-so results at best. The Yankees claimed Robertson off waivers, we couldn't have gotten any prospects from them, only options were to pull him back or let him go and have them absorb the entire contract.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:07 AM) Melky and his .710 Ops = 7 hole hitter As for Frazier, if rents, low OBP and high K acquaint ion philosophy repeatedly fails, keep doing it until it work. League average K% is about 20%, and Frazier for his career is 21%, he's not a high K guy.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 07:58 AM) Okay, since the AL Central is so wide open, why aren't we being linked to any of the big names recently? We've been linked to both Frazier and Upton recently. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:02 AM) Nobody would be jealous of the White Sox situation right now. I really do wish some days it was possible to change your favorite team but it's pretty much a lifetime commitment, through good times and bad. And the odds of the White Sox winning another World Series in my lifetime (while not great) are still infinitely higher than my alma mater the Univ of Iowa winning a national championship in fb or basketball. He's not saying the White Sox are in an envious position right now. There's also no rule that says you can't change to another team if being a White Sox fan is making you so miserable.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 07:17 AM) Or their manager. What is his WAR??? Or WAR is just another statistic that is nice to look at but really doesn't translate to wins and losses. WAR actually correlates pretty well with wins (Fangraphs found the correlation to be upper mid-80s or so). While I doubt the Royals finish last in the AL, I do think the Indians are the bigger threat in 2016. I think Cleveland underachieved this year, and the Royals are losing two key bullpen pieces, their rotation still blows, and they might have just gotten career years out of Hosmer, Moustakas and Cain. I also highly doubt Morales is as good in 2016 as he was this year. Losing Gordon would also be a big blow. Yeah, they won the World Series, but only 1 World Series winner since 2010 has made the playoffs the following year, I don't know why so many are so quick to just hand them the division next year.

I just looked at Fangraphs' 2016 team projections and they have the Sox at 2nd in the division right now at 32.7 WAR, 5.2 WAR behind the Indians, and that's with a decent amount of regression from Abreu, Eaton, and Quintana. Picking up Upton and Frazier would put them at first in the ALC in projected WAR. However, it looks like once again the projection system undervalues the Royals, as they're dead last in the AL in projected WAR. http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Team

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 13, 2015 -> 01:13 PM) I think you can expect his season OPS to drop by 50 points solely due to not facing us. Just signing him and stashing him on the bench for the entire season so he can't face us is probably a 2-win improvement alone.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 06:13 PM) Both Upton and Frazier would be a great Christmas present for Sox fans. Anyone think the northside moves might be a factor in JR and the FO thinking seriously about these moves? No, and I hope it doesn't affect their plan.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 12:05 PM) This is actually a pretty good low-risk, high-reward signing. This is much better than the high-risk, low yeild signing of LaRoche. How exactly was LaRoche high-risk? $25 million over 2 years isn't really that much, and again, it's only 2 years. That inherently can't be that risky.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 02:38 AM) I don't want to see the Sox spend big on anyone this winter. One of the worst things you can be in pro sports is old, non competitive and uncompetitive. The White Sox are on their way there. I think that they should focus on acquiring young talent, rather than spending big on FAs. And if the Sox were to sign Cesoedes, they would be paying for his decline and that's not smart. How are the White Sox old? LaRoche is the only truly old one, and he's gone after this year. After him Duke is the second-oldest at 32, and then pretty much everyone else is 30 or younger except Melky, who is 31. They're actually a pretty young team.

Arguably the 7 worst teams in baseball are all in the NL, we're going to see some crazy win totals in the NL again for the top teams.

184/8 is not bad at all, find it hard to believe no one offered 200M, and if someone did I find it even harder to believe that Heyward would leave that much on the table.

Yeah let's just ignore defense.

Also, for those of you who want a full rebuild to replicate the Cubs' path, remember that they are where they are right now partly due to a couple lopsided trades (Rizzo, Russell), a pitcher coming out of nowhere to become a top 5 pitcher, and spending almost half a billion dollars in two offseasons in free agency. We'd never be able to do all that.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) The White Sox are going to end up in Portland or Carolina in the next few years if they aren't careful. Watch. We're doomed. Good lord man give it a rest. Even if the Cubs do win it all I highly doubt we're going anywhere. The damage it would do to the White Sox is wildly overstated.

The Cardinals pitchers also all got pretty lucky this year. The team is primed for big regression, it's between the Pirates/Cubs next year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 12:49 PM) Wouldn't be that shocking if Cubs were going after Jose Fernandez this entire time. Soler/Baez/Contreras/Hendricks/Torres could easily get it done. The Marlins want Urias, Seager, AND Pederson plus more for Fernandez. No way that package gets it done.

Welp. They're WS favorites now for sure, but even the favorite has what, a 20% chance at getting it done? Just have to hope someone else takes them out.