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SS2K : I am going to disengage on this and let you have the last word there. Have a nice evening sir.

You describe the Cub fan experience in Wrigleyvlle after day games. Sox play night games for the most part, and their fan base for the most part enjoy watching and/or going to games at night. tailgating before games, and for those who want to go out after the game ends and they get to their cars around, 11 p.m with wife and kids, there are plenty of bars and restaurants open. My guess is that most fans head home at that time, especially those with kids. Wrigleyville has a different demographic. Citing Wrigley bars is just part of a failed Cubs/Sox analogy. The WSox are a Southside team, and the 78, is not in a Southside neighborhood. It would be a stretch to claim it is on the South Side as South siders well understand. Not sure if you are very familiar with the abandoned 78 tract. It is 20 feet under the grade of Roosevelt road. I don't get where the Fire conceptual plan provides enough vehicular or pedestrian access. I would not be surprised if Mansueto becomes just the latest in a long line of potential tenants to drops out. The writing for that is on the wall. These billionaires are not foolish. And don't believe all the hype that you read.

I am not angry but you sound angry...angry at Jerry Reinsdorf and certainly always angry at me. I was pursuing a different point, a larger point that I thought should be obvious but is sometimes lost. Forget I posted it 2023.

That's your opinion. I pick fights? No, but I will hold my own ...and then I know when to disengage with those who always want to have the last word. Now who starts s%*#? Look no further than a recent post in this thread where I wanted to make the point that the culture of Sox fans on the South side has been over a century in the making. Certain groups (like the S Side Irish community) and other ethnic groups took root on the South side and expanded out, largely to the S and SW suburbs. That is where the majority of the fan base is located. The fact is that the White Sox are identified with the South side, Sox fandom and all it entails. It is part of their culture. So the responses to that post immediately attempted to deflect and make it about age...Gen X fans v old fans on Social Security or something ridiculous like that. My point, which was pretty clear, had nothing to do with the age of fans. It did have to do with the long relationship between the White Sox, the location where they have played for 125 years, and where most in the WSox fan base reside. My guess is that most younger fans and even our young announcer understand that.

You admittedly do not watch many WSox games throughout the season and have recently expressed ambivalence as to the possibility that the Sox move the franchise to Nashville stating further that it would not impact you or some such thing. For some fans, like myself, all of sarcasm and negativity is tiresome to read. Speaking for myself only, I would like to see a better balance. Instead, we have a few posters who dominate the conversations , and you know who they are. And no need to slap anyone down. As Moderator, you know you should be better than that.

"Life long Sox fans aren't going to up and switch to the Cubs, but are enough Gen Z and Gen Alpha fans building a strong connection to the team as they've grown up over the last 15 years? " You don't know anything about the fan base. Maybe best to keep your thoughts to yourself.

Your posts share a lot of structure and grammar usage with 77 Hitmen. But anyway, my post was addressed to that entity.

77 Hitmen: You probably don't remember seeing the "77 Hitmen, " but regardless, your posts drip with sarcasm and disrespect.

WTF does that mean ?

IMO....that would be a miscalculation that could have unintended consequences including reducing attendance and fan support to the point that the WSox franchise in Chicago could really be in jeopardy. Personally, I am concerned about a move from the WSox historic location on the South side. I have experienced and indeed befriended a few generations of WSox fans....some now proud parents and grandparents...many originally from the South side neighborhoods and parishes (which I was very proud to be part of even though I am not Catholic). Been to more than a dozen South side Irish parades down Western where the camaraderie among Sox fans is thick. Attended games at Comiskey including many memorable games in 70's watching the South Side Hitmen, in the 80's with Fisk, Kittle and them and the magical 2005 WS Championship year. Yea, I was at the Disco Dem. game and left after they cancelled game 2. Met my old buddies at Shinnicks for drinks before every home opener at Comiskey. Walked through the old neighborhood past sis Daley's house on Lowe on the way to games. And I have watched the Bridgeport neighborhood to the West of the park gentrify with upscale homes, condos and apartments. Been one of the thousands of Sox fans who take tailgating to another level with our grills and drinks for everybody. That isn't just my history with the team, its the history of the WSox playing for their fans at Comiskey I and II for over a hundred years. There really is a South side WSox culture built up over decades that, IMO, will largely be lost if the team moves away from their historic home on 35th street. By comparison, the Cubs are every man's team, not just the North sides' since Harry Carey and Ch 9 made them into the media force they have become. Move the Sox anywhere else and a lot of the culture and camaraderie of South side WSox fans will diminish and dissipate as well as the identity of the WSox as our South side team. Others, especially those who have not shared my experiences over the years will no doubt have a different opinion. Yes, I know that winning is paramount in sports, but no team wins every year. There is a lot more to it that's hard to explain, but anyway, I tried. Even Schriff gets the love we have for the Sox on the South side. History. https://chicagology.com/skyscrapers/skyscrapers128/

Fred's plan is dead , that's what I said.

Venable filled out 102 lineup cards that lost every one of those games. Katz and Venable also managed a bullpen that was responsible for many of those losses. Venable seemed to lack the intensity that some mlb managers have. My own opinion is that he was too passive in certain key late inning situations. Way too many first and second, no outs trailing by a run and the Sox come up empty. Of course it isn't all his fault, but the buck stops at the top. Also recall the games where the Sox take a late inning lead and in the next inning the Sox reliever comes in (trying to hold the lead) and instead starts doling out walks. Part of that is on Venable and Katz.

LOL.

Of course, parking would be an issue because effective provisions for parking depend on a viable plan for reasonable ingress/egress for thousands of cars. Maybe study the Fire plan and actually drive down to the 78 before commenting. Note the ramp from Roosevelt down into a parking garage or the winding narrow road through Ping Tom Park. Imagine funneling Sox fans who drive from the suburbs to go to a night game into a large parking garage. Absurd. Does the plan include a wall or barrier all along the Metra tracks for safety of pedestrians? Where can vehicles cross over the Metra tracks and Clark street ? If you think you are making some kind of point by cutting and pasting my rebuttals to endless uninformed comments, OK, but you are wasting your time and failing to make a single point. Meanwhile, I will make certain that reasoned criticism and alternate opinions are expressed here, including my own, even in the face of a pooled effort to intimidate. When you are plain wrong there isn't strength in the numbers of those who agree with you. If you imagine there is, I have a few suggestions for some political media outlets that you can embroil yourself in.

No one is screaming about parking at a non-existent stadium. Just thinking about that though for a minute, parking garages could really be interesting at a facility where thousands of fans leave around the same time. It's bad enough now. LOL. I suspect from the content of your posts that you do not seem familiar with much at the site or the Fire plan to develop part of it, i.e., how to deal with the 3 Metra tracks (no indication of that on the Fire plan) , the elevated N/S Clark streets, the elevation difference between the 78 and Roosevelt road, and the limitations of ingress/egress there. Perhaps if you drive down to the "78" and try walking to anywhere beyond it, you might obtain a new perspective. I don't know, just a thought. IMO, the highest and best use of the site for City of Chicago residents does not comport with the financial aspirations and abject greed of the prior or current Owners from Rezko to Auchi. Never forget, IKEA, Amazon and U of I, all turned down or backed out of the 78. I don't know what the reasons were, but perhaps they developed some concerns.

IMO, Baldwin, while being a good athlete, somehow lacks the ability to judge the trajectory of flyballs. I am not sure why...perhaps it has to do with seeing and gauging the ball's trajectory off the bat or positioning his feet and his glove to make the catch. Conversely, he doesn't seem to have any issues catching ground balls and throwing. Maybe he could be a candidate for first base next season if he can continue to hit for power and the Sox really don't have a first basemen. As far as Meidroth, I am just not sure if he should be penciled in at second base next season, without some effort to find a better alternative. He is more Madrigal than Pedroia and I was never a Madrigal fan from the minute the Sox selected him in the Draft. Sox fans want more HR, which is why I think we saw more fans than expected come out when they saw a couple of guys hitting them.

The last few weeks have taken away the short burst of hope that fans had. Really demoralizing.

My God. Get an education and a job instead of spending endless hours trying to prove something as an internet troll.

Go root for the cubs . Tired of your whining.

Brutal. Leasure was throwing gopher balls like he could care less.

Michael Reinsdorf has said recently that the Sox would be worth more out of town. (I don't have a link but I could probably find it). Ishbia might agree. Let the value tank first. Then he will know what to do. That's his business.

Your bulshit meter went off. Yea that thing makes no sense.

Common sense is an asset that escapes a lot of people.

As we know, Ishbia started buying WSox shares in 2021 and then entered into some kind of 5 year option in 2025 to purchase and supposedly invest in the team starting this year... After year one of the option....no public comment by Ishbia on anything and no moves by him that appear to help the team or clarify things for the fans. In the meantime, why should JR or Ishbia spend any money on this organization given the nebulous option agreement and uncertainty for any return on investment? Salting the roster via trade or free agency could really propel the team toward respectability. However, that does not seem likely, at least for the next several years with the odd ownership dynamic as it is.

my wayward son.