southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Given the choice to only fire one person, is it Manuel or Kenny and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Given the choice to only fire one person, is it Manuel or Kenny and why? That's kind of like giving the convicted their choice of execution. Would you like a bullet to the head or the gas chamber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 That's kind of like giving the convicted their choice of execution. Would you like a bullet to the head or the gas chamber? Both! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Manuel in a photo finish He's been here six years. Guys are not playing hard for him. They're not going to play hard for him. And he doesn't have a clue about how to handle a pitching staff. KW has made his share of thoughtless moves (the Todd Ritchie deal; getting nothing for Ray Durham; Foulke for Koch, etc) but I really believe he burns to win -- and I give him props for picking up Marte, Olivo, Everett, Scott Sullivan, Robbie Alomar and a few more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I'm gonna go with KW. When he's shipped out and a new GM is named, the new GM will most definitely fire Manuel's worthless ass and bring in his own guy. At least I'd hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Jerry. Kenny has tried - he brought in some talented players, but they fell under the same gloomy spell that Ghandi has inflicted on all the players before them. Laid Back must become Laid Off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Jerry Manuel in a laugher!!! Frankly, I cant put much blame on Kenny Williams. What other GM in this town has tried to do as much as he has done to bring a champion to this city? In a city of the Blackhawks (don't even get me started), the Bears (LOL) and even the post Jordan Era Bulls at least Kenny Williams has made the moves to try and put us at the top!!! This season our team had alot more talent than the Twins. That is Kenny's Job to put the talent on the field. Its JM's job to go out and win and he has shown over the years to have horrible bullpen managment, player relation management, and just a terrible feel for coaching! Say what you want about KW dismantleing our minor league talent and bringin in bad players but its JM who has been the downfall of this team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chosk8 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Like I said before, I've never had a coach that made me play harder that any other. You play to win, bottom line. This is a group of selfish, individualistic players that want to hit the 3 run homer with nobody on base instead of doing the little things it takes to win ballgames. Because the "little things" don't show up in the stats, and that's all most of these guys are concerned with. Maybe they ought to fire Walker for the team not hitting these last 2 weeks? 3 hitting coaches in 3 years and they all deserve an apology, Von Joshua, Gary Ward and Greg Walker. This team lacks self discipline. You can't sit there and honestly tell me that none of these guys at some point didn't say 'hey lets take the ball the other way" or "lets be patient against this guy". No you can't. 4 and 6 pitch innings don't cut it. These guys all go out on their own and try to be the hero, neglecting everything they are told. You can't fire a whole team, so the manager is the scapegoat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 The team that KW assembled could have won this division under another manager. So it's see ya, Jerry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chosk8 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 The team that KW assembled could have won this division under another manager. So it's see ya, Jerry. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. We'll never know and you can't make that statement. This team looks good on paper, but paper don't play the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Coulda, woulda, shoulda. We'll never know and you can't make that statement. This team looks good on paper, but paper don't play the games. I actually think the team looks better on a matte or glossy finish rather than just plain paper... But can i ask a serious question Chosk? Are you saying that JM should be given another chance?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chosk8 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I actually think the team looks better on a matte or glossy finish rather than just plain paper... But can i ask a serious question Chosk? Are you saying that JM should be given another chance?? I'm not arguing that JM should stay. The only logical thing they can do is relieve him of his duties. You can't fire the whole team, so the manager is the scapegoat. I've never bought into the whole concept of the manager being the difference maker. They say a good manager can get you what, 6-7 more wins a year. 7 out of 162 are won by the manager. It's done between the line. Just my opinion, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I actually think the team looks better on a matte or glossy finish rather than just plain paper... But can i ask a serious question Chosk? Are you saying that JM should be given another chance?? I'm not arguing that JM should stay. The only logical thing they can do is relieve him of his duties. You can't fire the whole team, so the manager is the scapegoat. I've never bought into the whole concept of the manager being the difference maker. They say a good manager can get you what, 6-7 more wins a year. 7 out of 162 are won by the manager. It's done between the line. Just my opinion, of course. Thanks I was just wondering what your opinion on JM was! LOL...but unless my Math is horrible wouldn't seven more wins put us at the top of the division right now? But I do agree that the manager can only do so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chosk8 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I actually think the team looks better on a matte or glossy finish rather than just plain paper... But can i ask a serious question Chosk? Are you saying that JM should be given another chance?? I'm not arguing that JM should stay. The only logical thing they can do is relieve him of his duties. You can't fire the whole team, so the manager is the scapegoat. I've never bought into the whole concept of the manager being the difference maker. They say a good manager can get you what, 6-7 more wins a year. 7 out of 162 are won by the manager. It's done between the line. Just my opinion, of course. Thanks I was just wondering what your opinion on JM was! LOL...but unless my Math is horrible wouldn't seven more wins put us at the top of the division right now? But I do agree that the manager can only do so much! This team on paper (or glossy) should be running away with this division, IMO. We play in a weak division, maybe the weakest, so actually, they should be better than even those 7 games. I think it is just part of being a fan, b****ing about the manager and second guessing. If you’re a fan of the Cardinals, you b**** about LaRussa, the Phillies, Bowa, etc., etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebeerichards Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I'm just sick of 3 straight years of poor fundamentals (no situational hitting, poor baserunning, mediocre fielding). Add to that a team that exhibits little intensity and leads the league in excuses...we played a number of teams this year when they were hot...Konerko / poor hitting backround....Frank. I hope Manuel doesn't make it from the dugout to the clubhouse on Sunday before he is fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I was a Manuel supporter until this year. If he can't get his team fired up when they're two games away from putting the Twins basically away. He doesn't deserve to manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I was a Manuel supporter until this year. If he can't get his team fired up when they're two games away from putting the Twins basically away. He doesn't deserve to manage. Actually, thats one of the few things I don't blame Manuel for. If a player can't get fired up for those Minnesota games than they really don't care about winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 KW did a great job this year in my opinion...Although we need to rebuild our farm system; he went after it this year on a limited budget, and gave us what needed to make it... Manuel hopefully and should be fired next week.. :fyou Ghandi (Manuel) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Given the choice to only fire one person, is it Manuel or Kenny and why? Hands down Manuel. He is the one whose responsible...bottom line...for not holding the players accountable for their lackluster play and lack of heart. He is the one that set the tone that you don't have to work for crap. He needed to be more firey at times...not Lasorda firey, but if a player f's up...hold them accountable don't just sit there. If you have a certain philosphy with guys moving over then preach it and don't give anyone a special order not to. Just get them over and go oppo and do the little things. How the hell can you fire Kenny...he had a hell of a year. Only dumb things he does are when it comes to dulling out contracts. You can also bring up the Ritchie deal as well as the Koch one...but that got us Neal...so I'm still optimistic on that. Neal wins Cy Young for the Sox...Foulke closes for the A's for one year and then walks away to get big bucks elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I'm gonna go with KW. When he's shipped out and a new GM is named, the new GM will most definitely fire Manuel's worthless ass and bring in his own guy. At least I'd hope. Solid answer. I just want KW to spend a lot of time with Fontaine. Fontaine is the man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Neal wins Cy Young for the Sox...Foulke closes for the A's for one year and then walks away to get big bucks elsewhere. I'd be happy with getting out of an inning without a walk. let's not get carried away here. he's got the potential to be good, but I don't see him winning a Cy Young. hopefully I'm wrong. By the way, my choice is Manuel. In fact, if he is back next season, I won't be watching the team. I can't stand to watch mediocrity any longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I can see no reason whatsoever, besides $$$, that Manuel should be back in 2004. Unfortunately, with JR, $$$ is the only reasons he considers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I can see no reason whatsoever, besides $$$, that Manuel should be back in 2004. Unfortunately, with JR, $$$ is the only reasons he considers Except Backman wouldn't cost much anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 I actually think the team looks better on a matte or glossy finish rather than just plain paper... But can i ask a serious question Chosk? Are you saying that JM should be given another chance?? I'm not arguing that JM should stay. The only logical thing they can do is relieve him of his duties. You can't fire the whole team, so the manager is the scapegoat. I've never bought into the whole concept of the manager being the difference maker. They say a good manager can get you what, 6-7 more wins a year. 7 out of 162 are won by the manager. It's done between the line. Just my opinion, of course. The manager can't be a difference maker? ....... Jack McKeon. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 I actually think the team looks better on a matte or glossy finish rather than just plain paper... But can i ask a serious question Chosk? Are you saying that JM should be given another chance?? I'm not arguing that JM should stay. The only logical thing they can do is relieve him of his duties. You can't fire the whole team, so the manager is the scapegoat. I've never bought into the whole concept of the manager being the difference maker. They say a good manager can get you what, 6-7 more wins a year. 7 out of 162 are won by the manager. It's done between the line. Just my opinion, of course. The manager can't be a difference maker? ....... Jack McKeon. I rest my case. Exactly right, Chicago and Florida r 2 very similar teams, and 1 could be going to the playoffs with the NL Wild Card and the other will prob have their team broken up during the offseason. It's all JM's fault, we should have never been below .500 bf the all star break in the 1st place, KW actually gave us a chance to win this but in the clutch the players didn't deliver. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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