brett05 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 08:03 PM) Are there absolutely no people on the right who actually care about the evil that's already happened? It's been 5 days. Every day delivers more awful news of mandates being brought down that make me ashamed to be American. I am ashamed to have to explain this to my daughter. It's been a blessing so far and my daughters are happy with the decisions being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 05:54 AM) I hope you're right, but fear you're wrong. And it's not just Trump doing this. He couldn't accomplish much without the support of his party, and they seem fully behind him. And based on his tweets this morning, they're definitely going farther down the voter suppression road and using his delusional beliefs about the popular vote as a justification. I really do fear that we're close to the edge of losing a true democracy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 08:47 PM) --A majority of voters didn't want him to be President, and since he was elected his support has been plummeting - which indicates how things may go for him Just the opposite. His approval has gone from 38 on election day to 45 on Jan 23 with 10 percent undecided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 10:39 PM) When your ancestors have been persecuted for thousands of years, you dont fret the cowards like Trump. He is a disaster and has more colossal failures than successes. People like him dont make it in the real world. You are talking about the billionaire who is now President of the United States of America, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (brett05 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 06:40 AM) Just the opposite. His approval has gone from 38 on election day to 45 on Jan 23 with 10 percent undecided. This is the first time a president has received an initial approval rating under 50% in the history of the poll, which dates back to Dwight Eisenhower's first term in 1953. Oh look, I am including a source: http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-first...resident-2017-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 10:24 PM) If you dont have belief in the goodness of other people, then what is the point of liberalism at all? No matter how much progress, there will always be times when humanity takes a step back. But we must persevere. Sometimes we forget that human existence has been a relatively short amount of time. But in that short amount of time we have created some truly magnificent things. And yes, humanity has done terrible things, but life before society was as Hobbes would say "No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." And that sentence was merely describing how much better humans had it with Kings, aristocrats, etc. Less than 200 years ago, hundreds of thousands of Americans died because a large portion of our nation believed that slavery was okay. In the last 100 years, millions have died fighting over invisible lines and religion. Irrespective of Trump, we are moving forward. He is merely the last scream of a dying belief, its their Battle of the Bulge, and in the end, they will never recover from their losses. You're the hero I needed this am. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (brett05 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 06:40 AM) Just the opposite. His approval has gone from 38 on election day to 45 on Jan 23 with 10 percent undecided. Still 20 net points behind Obama, 45/45 vs. 58+/38-. Maybe if they didn't shoot themselves in the foot everyday with nonsense and alternative facts the country would see him as fulfilling many of his campaign promises...but there's also no simple way to quantify the damage done to the trustworthiness of the administration with the rest of the world. Other than Israel, Russia and the Philippines, that measure of approval from the typical European country would only be around 15-25%... Edited January 25, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 07:00 AM) This is the first time a president has received an initial approval rating under 50% in the history of the poll, which dates back to Dwight Eisenhower's first term in 1953. Oh look, I am including a source: http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-first...resident-2017-1 Somewhere Kellyanne is reading your post saying, "but Hillary Clinton..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (brett05 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 06:40 AM) Just the opposite. His approval has gone from 38 on election day to 45 on Jan 23 with 10 percent undecided. Yeah no. He's at 45% in the latest one I see, that's true. And he's the only modern President to be below 50% at this stage. Except of course he wasn't 38% on election day, as he got 48% of the votes. Also his 45% disapproval rating is dramatically higher than any other at this stage, most of whom have been around 15% on that number. He is not doing well, so far, in the eyes of the voting public. The 38 number I cannot find anywhere, where did you get it? Link? Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) Not to mention Obana started out at 80 and GW Bush was at least 66% in 2001 if I can recall correctly. http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/nei...ourt/index.html Well, at least now it's abundantly clear why Trump and the GOP want/ed Gorsuch for SCOTUS. Edited January 25, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (brett05 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 04:29 AM) Sorry, education has increased as well. And that's just a quick one. Sorry, I stand by my earlier statement. Not sure why anyone continues to interact with you. You are 100% anti-science and facts. This is my last reply to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 we are 100% sure brett05 is not gregg's alter forum ego, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Trump expected to order temporary ban on refugees Could possibly be some really insane policy coming. I also love the idea of no refugees from Iraq. Sorry we invaded your country for no reason and left in a state of bloody civil war and ruin, but don't you dare look to come here for help! Also, no Saudi Arabia on that list. Wonder why that is? @ThomasErdbrink 46m46 minutes ago Rumours of US visa ban will hit Iran hardest. +1 million Iranian Americans and many more green card holders have many visitors from Iran. @ThomasErdbrink 44m44 minutes ago Also there are Iranian students in the US, artists, athletes visiting. Many lives will be uprooted by a potential visa ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 This is really scary stuff. Every day since his inauguration has been another step down the ethnic nationalist authoritarian road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 What a country. Invade Iraq, create vacuum of terror, refuse to let any of them emigrate here. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (brett05 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 06:29 AM) Sorry, education has increased as well. And that's just a quick one. Sorry, I stand by my earlier statement. The Colorado program started in 2009. What leaps in education occurred between 2008 and 2009 that would have had a massive impact on pregnancy and abortion rates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 09:11 AM) Trump expected to order temporary ban on refugees Could possibly be some really insane policy coming. I also love the idea of no refugees from Iraq. Sorry we invaded your country for no reason and left in a state of bloody civil war and ruin, but don't you dare look to come here for help! Also, no Saudi Arabia on that list. Wonder why that is? @ThomasErdbrink 46m46 minutes ago Rumours of US visa ban will hit Iran hardest. +1 million Iranian Americans and many more green card holders have many visitors from Iran. @ThomasErdbrink 44m44 minutes ago Also there are Iranian students in the US, artists, athletes visiting. Many lives will be uprooted by a potential visa ban It's a good thing all those moderate Republicans in Congress are standing up to Trump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 09:31 AM) It's a good thing all those moderate Republicans in Congress are standing up to Trump... Hey. Senator McCain talks very tough (and then promptly votes for all measures and nominees) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Also let me predict the future: Kris Kobach and Hans von Spakovsky will be appointed to help run the voter fraud claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 07:00 AM) This is the first time a president has received an initial approval rating under 50% in the history of the poll, which dates back to Dwight Eisenhower's first term in 1953. Oh look, I am including a source: http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-first...resident-2017-1 Great, the comment was it is getting worse and it's not, it is getting better. Current Approval http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/ In fact he's now at 57%. Moving up rapidly from the 38 on election night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 08:20 AM) Yeah no. He's at 45% in the latest one I see, that's true. And he's the only modern President to be below 50% at this stage. Except of course he wasn't 38% on election day, as he got 48% of the votes. Also his 45% disapproval rating is dramatically higher than any other at this stage, most of whom have been around 15% on that number. He is not doing well, so far, in the eyes of the voting public. The 38 number I cannot find anywhere, where did you get it? Link? Source? I can't find my original link but here is a different one and as you can see, 38 range on election day http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ot...rable-5493.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 08:48 AM) Not sure why anyone continues to interact with you. You are 100% anti-science and facts. This is my last reply to you. Promise? (Why do I doubt it.) I am pro-science and pro-fact. The issue is many pass off opinions and faith as both of these. I am not in favor of that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (brett05 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 09:53 AM) I can't find my original link but here is a different one and as you can see, 38 range on election day http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ot...rable-5493.html That graph also shows Trump's current approval rating at 41.8% (and has trended down since a peak of 44.5% in mid-December) with Rasmussen's polls as an outlier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 09:28 AM) The Colorado program started in 2009. What leaps in education occurred between 2008 and 2009 that would have had a massive impact on pregnancy and abortion rates? Social Media and it's ease of access comes right to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 09:57 AM) That graph also shows Trump's current approval rating at 41.8% (and has trended down since a peak of 44.5% in mid-December) with Rasmussen's polls as an outlier... And we all know about those outliers from election night don't we? EDIT: The graph stops at Jan 20. Edited January 25, 2017 by brett05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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