shipps Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 02:20 PM) Any update on if Rodon threw his bullpen? Daryl Van SchouwenVerified account @CST_soxvan 2m2 minutes ago More Renteria acknowledged possibility of Rodon not being ready by first week of season. Supposed to throw first bullpen today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Dan HayesVerified account @CSNHayes 20s20 seconds ago More #WhiteSox said all along that Carlos Rodon is fine. Taking "measured" approach w/ him to help w/ bigger expected workload. 1st side today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I don't get it. A "measured approach" to reduce his workload = him missing the beginning of the season? But he's healthy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Something is going on that's not good here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 Bruce Levine @MLBBruceLevine 36s37 seconds ago Rick Renteria on Carlos Rodon . Hopefully we will be able to put him out there with no concern. ( on regular season opening week rotation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 Dan HayesVerified account @CSNHayes 11m11 minutes ago #WhiteSox said all along that Carlos Rodon is fine. Taking "measured" approach w/ him to help w/ bigger expected workload. 1st side today. 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 He is either fine or there is concern. What the hell is it? It has to be concern for something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Daryl Van SchouwenVerified account @CST_soxvan 1m1 minute ago More First bullpen session of spring for Carlos Rodon. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6Bp4t4UwAAz9DW.jpg:large Video... https://twitter.com/C1McKnight/status/837787147474104322 https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/837786501194768385 https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/837786789955817472 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Connor McKnightVerified account @C1McKnight 55s56 seconds ago More Coop: If everything goes right from this moment to the end of spring [Rodon] will pitch in the first 5 or 6 games. Connor McKnightVerified account @C1McKnight 41s42 seconds ago More LT: To clarify, Coop's saying Rodon can make his first start in the rotation. WTF is there so much contradiction out there right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Dan HayesVerified account @CSNHayes Don Cooper said if all goes right Carlos Rodon would make start in first 5 or 6 reg season games. Also said Rodon dealt w/ arm stuff in '16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 That's why I always tell the truth-- could never keep track of my lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Good news is that if he was seriously hurt or they were overly concerned, he would be shut down right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 now they claim he didn't throw hard because of a stomach ache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 05:06 PM) now they claim he didn't throw hard because of a stomach ache. This keeps getting weirder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 06:12 PM) This keeps getting weirder. No it doesn't. All was said is that he was slightly under the weather with a stomach thing, but they wanted to keep him on schedule so they had him throw today as originally planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Maybe he came in out of shape and so this slow approach is to avoid an injury due to being out of shape. But the result of the slow process may preclude him from being stretched out enough to make the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (DirtySox @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 05:15 PM) No it doesn't. All was said is that he was slightly under the weather with a stomach thing, but they wanted to keep him on schedule so they had him throw today as originally planned. Read page 4 of this thread. It's not just that, it's the news that he may miss the beginning of the season. Since that came out, a new tidbit about his health has come out every half hour. Edited March 3, 2017 by Jose Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 The arm issues he supposedly had last year that hadn't been mentioned until today are definitely concerning. Hoping for the best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 06:21 PM) The arm issues he supposedly had last year that hadn't been mentioned until today are definitely concerning. Hoping for the best... It's possible they don't want to abuse Rodon in a season where we aren't going to compete. Asking him to throw over 200 innings would be a mistake. We need to make sure to keep him heathy and trust the training staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) Help me understand something: Rodon's been pretty mediocre so far in his career; where some see promise in his Sept/Oct results last year, I see a "garbage time hero." He's been a bit of a China Doll so far in his career, with injuries in every season sidelining him, and now whatever this latest issue may be... He's represented by Greed Incarnate, who will never ever agree to a contract extension here. Why is Rodon considered to be a part of this team's core again? Thanks in advance. Edited March 4, 2017 by Two-Gun Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 08:39 PM) Help me understand something: Rodon's been pretty mediocre so far in his career; where some see promise in his Sept/Oct results last year, I see a "garbage time hero." He's been a bit of a China Doll so far in his career, with injuries in every season sidelining him, and now whatever this latest issue may be... He's represented by Greed Incarnate, who will never ever agree to a contract extension here. Why is Rodon considered to be a part of this team's core again? Thanks in advance. You're kidding...right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 08:39 PM) Help me understand something: Rodon's been pretty mediocre so far in his career; where some see promise in his Sept/Oct results last year, I see a "garbage time hero." He's been a bit of a China Doll so far in his career, with injuries in every season sidelining him, and now whatever this latest issue may be... He's represented by Greed Incarnate, who will never ever agree to a contract extension here. Why is Rodon considered to be a part of this team's core again? Thanks in advance. Not every top prospect comes up like Chris Sale and instantly dominates. Rodon has improved and improved, and had a very strong finish to the season last year. He has ace potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 08:54 PM) You're kidding...right? Not at all. I was a big fan when he was drafted. (Big-time slider, high draft position, etc...) However, look @ what he actually is as a player. He's been injured every year. He struggled with control for much of the year, although he did look good in garbage time last year. He's been good for 2.0 & 2.7 fWAR, the latter of which was exactly the same as Gonzalez provided in 30 fewer IP. But all that aside, there is no way in God's Green Earth that he'll re-sign here with Boras as his agent. So why should we as a fandom look at an oft-injured, mediocre-performing, Boras client as a core player? If he improves, he's gone. If he stays the same as he is now, he's a middling player. (2.7 fWAR ain't great) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 09:03 PM) Not every top prospect comes up like Chris Sale and instantly dominates. Rodon has improved and improved, and had a very strong finish to the season last year. He has ace potential. 2.0 fWAR in 2015 to 2.7 fWAR in 2016 isn't really a quantum leap. And he's hurt. Again. Set aside his draft position, & consider what he is, not what we hope him to be. He was, by one metric, equal to Miguel Gonzalez last year, even with him padding his stats in garbage time late last year. And his agent is dying for him to sign elsewhere. Why is he a core player? He may not be good, & even if he will be, he probably won't be a part of the next good Sox team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 09:09 PM) 2.0 fWAR in 2015 to 2.7 fWAR in 2016 isn't really a quantum leap. And he's hurt. Again. Set aside his draft position, & consider what he is, not what we hope him to be. He was, by one metric, equal to Miguel Gonzalez last year, even with him padding his stats in garbage time late last year. And his agent is dying for him to sign elsewhere. Why is he a core player? He may not be good, & even if he will be, he probably won't be a part of the next good Sox team. He made significant improvements last season with his BB% and change-up effectiveness. Fangraphs has poor pitch framing costing Rodon 14 runs last season, which isn't baked into his fWAR, ERA, etc. He's already established that his baseline is a mid-rotation SP, and he clearly has the potential to be much better than that. It's unlikely that he'll ever become Chris Sale, but someone that projects as a ~3+WAR pitcher would earn close to 20M per year on the FA market. Guys like that don't exactly grow on trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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