People are going to get angry at me but is anyone worried we are going to trade for him

 

I'd take him for free.  But he won't be free.  So no thanks.  

As a stop gap I'm down...for like, Fulmer.

Overrated Boston player, hopefully we stay away

It would also include basically helping out Boston by taking on their trash contracts.

Engel for JBJ swap? Yes or no.

my god, if we got JBJ and Swihart in a deal, it would be like 20% of all the trade rumors from the last 3 years.

5 minutes ago, fathom said:

my god, if we got JBJ and Swihart in a deal, it would be like 20% of all the trade rumors from the last 3 years.

I want all the players from the worst Q trades this offseason. Come on down Puig.

1 minute ago, bmags said:

I want all the players from the worst Q trades this offseason. Come on down Puig.

Glasnow, Austin Meadows, Josh Bell, Kevin Newman, Albies, Clint Frazier....

22 minutes ago, bmags said:

People are going to get angry at me but is anyone worried we are going to trade for him

 

I am worried that this FO will do any number of silly trades for 1/2 year veterans.  

8 minutes ago, fathom said:

Glasnow, Austin Meadows, Josh Bell, Kevin Newman, Albies, Clint Frazier....

Why is albies there...

1 minute ago, bmags said:

Why is albies there...

he was definitely one of the names mentioned in the Q trade, but I see you said worst

Just now, fathom said:

he was definitely one of the names mentioned in the Q trade, but I see you said worst

I want the bad ones. Kevin Newman...ooh baby welcome to the white sox, you are our new SS, Tim you are catcher.

Just now, bmags said:

I want the bad ones. Kevin Newman...ooh baby welcome to the white sox, you are our new SS, Tim you are catcher.

I'm actually surprised how well Glasnow pitched for Tampa

Id be fine with this if they didn't have to give up anyone of high value. 

No more Engel 

If the Sox could get away with trading someone outside their top 15, sure, why not?

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I know Boston's payroll is pretty high but would they really make themselves that much worse next season by giving up a starting position player for nearly nothing?

4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I know Boston's payroll is pretty high but would they really make themselves that much worse next season by giving up a starting position player for nearly nothing?

I think the package would need to be including Porcello.

9 minutes ago, fathom said:

I'm actually surprised how well Glasnow pitched for Tampa

I'm not. Apparently the Pirates are one of the last teams really stressing two seamers down in the zone as the basis of pitching and making all of their guys do it. As soon as he went to the Rays his velo and spin rate spiked and his fastball location was much higher in the zone, which seems to indicate the Rays had him move to what most of the league is doing with high spin rate four seamers up in the zone. That change, and some others I can't remember, were quick fixes that an analytically inclined team like the Rays were able to easily identify as problems and things they could fix that would make him look better than what his numbers with the Pirates would suggest.

 

This is actually why I have some hope about the Nova trade. The Pirates aren't just not good, they are actively making some of their pitchers worse by making them all use the same pitching strategy even if it doesn't play to their strengths. 

I'm for anything that takes Engel out of the lineup.

Nate Jones for JBJ could make sense for both sides.

2 minutes ago, GenericUserName said:

I'm not. Apparently the Pirates are one of the last teams really stressing two seamers down in the zone as the basis of pitching and making all of their guys do it. As soon as he went to the Rays his velo and spin rate spiked and his fastball location was much higher in the zone, which seems to indicate the Rays had him move to what most of the league is doing with high spin rate four seamers up in the zone. That change, and some others I can't remember, were quick fixes that an analytically inclined team like the Rays were able to easily identify as problems and things they could fix that would make him look better than what his numbers with the Pirates would suggest.

 

This is actually why I have some hope about the Nova trade. The Pirates aren't just not good, they are actively making some of their pitchers worse by making them all use the same pitching strategy even if it doesn't play to their strengths. 

In a week full of awful posts, this might be the best.  thank you

1 minute ago, GenericUserName said:

I'm not. Apparently the Pirates are one of the last teams really stressing two seamers down in the zone as the basis of pitching and making all of their guys do it. As soon as he went to the Rays his velo and spin rate spiked and his fastball location was much higher in the zone, which seems to indicate the Rays had him move to what most of the league is doing with high spin rate four seamers up in the zone. That change, and some others I can't remember, were quick fixes that an analytically inclined team like the Rays were able to easily identify as problems and things they could fix that would make him look better than what his numbers with the Pirates would suggest.

 

This is actually why I have some hope about the Nova trade. The Pirates aren't just not good, they are actively making some of their pitchers worse by making them all use the same pitching strategy even if it doesn't play to their strengths. 

Except Nova had his career best stretch (or at least one of his best stretches) right after he got to the Pirates?

2 minutes ago, GenericUserName said:

I'm not. Apparently the Pirates are one of the last teams really stressing two seamers down in the zone as the basis of pitching and making all of their guys do it. As soon as he went to the Rays his velo and spin rate spiked and his fastball location was much higher in the zone, which seems to indicate the Rays had him move to what most of the league is doing with high spin rate four seamers up in the zone. That change, and some others I can't remember, were quick fixes that an analytically inclined team like the Rays were able to easily identify as problems and things they could fix that would make him look better than what his numbers with the Pirates would suggest.

 

This is actually why I have some hope about the Nova trade. The Pirates aren't just not good, they are actively making some of their pitchers worse by making them all use the same pitching strategy even if it doesn't play to their strengths. 

It's so crazy given where the Pirates started.

15 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Except Nova had his career best stretch (or at least one of his best stretches) right after he got to the Pirates?

He did, but it was in a smaller sample and he switched leagues so he may have had the advantage of batters not being familiar with him. That said, Hahn did just make mention of his ground ball ability, so it seems like they like him for what he is and not what he could be changed into, so the Glasnow comparison probably doesn't matter for Nova. 

39 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

Nate Jones for JBJ could make sense for both sides.

They want to shed salary and I'm not sure Jones who they would want in their pen.