7 minutes ago, SCCWS said:

Jack: I don't follow your reasoning.  Rodon has pitched slightly better than Lopez and Giolito this season. All 3 have been pretty mediocre. Why do you see Rodon as the worst of the 3?   

He's been around the longest, he's been injured, and has a history of not throwing strikes and going past the 5th inning. He isn't the same guy he was before his shoulder injury. I'm not sure he can get by at 90-93. His fastball command is nowhere near good enough. 

Quite frankly, I still see room for growth with Giolito and Lopez but I don't see any with Rodon.  There is some deterioration of stuff with Rodon after his injury, but that is to be expected. 

Edited May 2, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman

So, to be clear ... we have been really hurt today by two players, hitting in the bottom of the order, that entered the day with a .183 and .192 batting averages. 

Cashner couldn’t strike out my grandma, yet he’s mowing down the Sox AAA team

6 minutes ago, fathom said:

Problem we tried to tell you after he was acquired is he wouldn’t be able to give the innings because he was going to get shelled in the AL.

I have argued in the past I don't like NL pitchers and hitters so I was hoping for the best and I still am hoping he has some positive regression. Obviously doesn't look good now but there's really been nothing in the last 3 years to indicate he'd be this bad. Basically all he was doing was replacing SHields and I did expect a Shields like year without the all walks.

 

I'm not always right  but I'm not wrong yet until we see how the rest of his year goes. If he lasts a whole year

Edited May 2, 20196 yr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

Just now, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I have argued in the past I don't like NL pitchers and hitters so I was hoping for the best and I still am hoping he has some positive regression. Obviously doesn't look good now but there's really been nothing in the last 3 years to indicate he'd be this bad. Basically all he was doing was replacing SHields and I did expect a Shields like year without the all walks

Lack of strikeouts was a huge red flag

Adam Engel wants to stay above the Mendoza Line apparently.

2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I have argued in the past I don't like NL pitchers and hitters so I was hoping for the best and I still am hoping he has some positive regression. Obviously doesn't look good now but there's really been nothing in the last 3 years to indicate he'd be this bad. Basically all he was doing was replacing SHields and I did expect a Shields like year without the all walks

If Nova was giving a 4.60 ERA and going 6 innings each start it would be fine. He's more like 2016 Shields. 

Edited May 2, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman

Ha all of a sudden Engel looking better than Cordell . Adam the Cat Engel , he of the 9 lives.

Love Moncada walks.

1 minute ago, fathom said:

Lack of strikeouts was a huge red flag

In the NL...  usually facing a pathetic #8 hitter and #9 pitcher.

Just now, SoxAce said:

Love Moncada walks.

Should be stealing here...

Just now, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Ha all of a sudden Engel looking better than Cordell . Adam the Cat Engel , he of the 9 lives.

^^^

1 minute ago, fathom said:

Lack of strikeouts was a huge red flag

6.3/9 isn't that terrible he's averaging the same as he was in the NL.

Just now, fathom said:

Should be stealing here...

SHOULD BE. But we both know the answer to that.

1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

If he was giving a 4.60 ERA and going 6 innings each start it would be fine. He's more like 2016 Shields. 

SO far yes I agreed. Rebuild year poor start . Yes it sucks . Hope for better all we can do .

Abreu has a terrible history of helping pitchers out. Stop swinging at shit out of the zone. Take your walk if he's giving it to you.

4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

6.3/9 isn't that terrible he's averaging the same as he was in the NL.

He was 56 out of 57 last year for qualified starters in K rate

That was ball 4

What a beast!  Nice base running

Haha Cashner why would you throw that in the zone? Stupid pitch. He was getting himself out.

Jose  strikes again!

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

He was 56 out of 57 last year for qualified starters in K rate

You are expecting too much for $9 million dollars.  Be happy with an 8.49 ERA.

Edited May 2, 20196 yr by Harper2Sox

11 minutes ago, fathom said:

Cashner couldn’t strike out my grandma, yet he’s mowing down the Sox AAA team

Yeah about that... 

8 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Ha all of a sudden Engel looking better than Cordell . Adam the Cat Engel , he of the 9 lives.

He's gotta be into the deep hundreds at this point in terms of lives 

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

He was 56 out of 57 last year for qualified starters in K rate

Which is the worst part of the acquisition.  Shows how behind the times the Sox are when it comes to modern pitching.