1 minute ago, fathom said:

Yeah if they spend on starting pitching this offseason, I don’t see how they won’t be the favorite in the AL Central next few years.

Well, big difference if Hahn reels in a guy like Wood as opposed to Cole.

1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Regression doesn't happen in the second half of a season?

Regression implies Gio was lucky in the first half.  Is that what you’re suggesting?

2 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

If a pitcher can't beat good lineups, he's not a top of the rotation starter.  We need better than #3 pitchers to do some damage going forward.

He gave up 1 run vs NYY, shut out MIN through 5, and dominated the Rays his last time out. He isn't consistent enough to be a true ace yet, but he has shown the potential to be that if he can be consistent with his stuff.

Edited July 26, 20196 yr by gusguyman

6 minutes ago, gusguyman said:

Ya'll need to chill on the hot takes. Gio's last 8 opponents have been NYY, BOS, CHCx2, KCR, TBR, and MINx2. That is a hell of a lot of good offenses. He'll be fine, especially as he gets more experience (and consistency) with his new delivery

Also, he pitched well to okay in all but 3 of those starts. It looks worse because his bad ones were against the hated Cubs and Twins. 

Edited July 26, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

 

Lol...how is this regression for Giolito?  Dude was filthy in the first half and had the stuff to back up the numbers.

Inability to keep his mechanics straight.  Yes his metrics were great, but there were always questions about how his velocity would hold up with his new arm swing.

4 minutes ago, gusguyman said:

Ya'll need to chill on the hot takes. Gio's last 8 opponents have been NYY, BOS, CHCx2, KCR, TBR, and MINx2. That is a hell of a lot of good offenses. He'll be fine, especially as he gets more experience (and consistency) with his new delivery

The one thing we don't want is for him to fall of a cliff at the end of the year. I think we will see him bounce back and then he'll go into this off-season with more confidence and more time to continue to refine and tighten his improved mechanics (more from just the pure muscle memory perspective, etc). What I'd like to see is him grind through this year, with a nice finish, with a good offseason where he comes back next year adding back in his dominant curve to the mix.  That is what will put Gio over the top (in terms of being a next level...true front-end (#1/#2 pitcher).  

Just now, Chicago White Sox said:

Regression implies Gio was lucky in the first half.  Is that what you’re suggesting?

He was in hr rate but again at 96 mph he has more margin for error the velocity drop is a bit worrying.

Just now, fathom said:

Inability to keep his mechanics straight.  Yes his metrics were great, but there were always questions about how his velocity would hold up with his new arm swing.

He hit 96 a bunch of times tonight. Not worried. 

2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

He struck out 7 batters in 5 innings, and hit 96 mph multiple times. He's fine. Cruz is hot as fuck and added a little extra ingredient in his protein shake. He ran into a hot power hitter. Meh. 

7 hits, 2 walks, 4 homers, for 7 earned runs in 5 innings?  That's just bad.

3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

He struck out 7 batters in 5 innings, and hit 96 mph multiple times. He's fine. Cruz is hot as fuck and added a little extra ingredient in his protein shake. He ran into a hot power hitter. Meh. 

Oh come on, 3 of the 4 homers were on meatballs down the plate. Sadly Twins are so stacked that you just can’t make mistakes. They don’t have slap hitters like the Sox.

Just now, Moan4Yoan said:

7 hits, 2 walks, 4 homers, for 7 earned runs in 5 innings?  That's just bad.

Good pitchers have bad games. Shocker.

2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

The one thing we don't want is for him to fall of a cliff at the end of the year. I think we will see him bounce back and then he'll go into this off-season with more confidence and more time to continue to refine and tighten his improved mechanics (more from just the pure muscle memory perspective, etc). What I'd like to see is him grind through this year, with a nice finish, with a good offseason where he comes back next year adding back in his dominant curve to the mix.  That is what will put Gio over the top (in terms of being a next level...true front-end (#1/#2 pitcher).  

Excellent point about adding another pitch.  

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Yeah if they spend on starting pitching this offseason, I don’t see how they won’t be the favorite in the AL Central next few years.

Just be thankful Danny Santana and Aaron Hicks aren’t still around with their numbers this year.

 

The Twins spending big in free agency never happens.  They have to decide between Gibson and Odorizzi as it is.   The last time I remember significant spending was bringing in Phil Hughes, Santana and Nicasio in one offseason, but they still spread it around.  Let Lynn go after 2018 and he’s pitched well for the Rangers.

Obviously, if they had Cole and Berrios, though, they’d be on a completely different level.

Can we stop with Jay batting 2nd....or just playing at all

1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:

7 hits, 2 walks, 4 homers, for 7 earned runs in 5 innings?  That's just bad.

No one wants to think of Gio regressing. He was slotted as an Ace a month ago. I pray he doesn't slip to a 4.20 ERA pitcher. 

Come on Jose. Time for you to show why you have Greg's undying loyalty

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Oh come on, 3 of the 4 homers were on meatballs down the plate. Sadly Twins are so stacked that you just can’t make mistakes. They don’t have slap hitters like the Sox.

If you think the second HR was a meatball I can't help you. That was a curveball that clipped the bottom edge of the zone. Perfect pitch, he just got beat. That gets missed more often than not and results in a K. 

Edited July 26, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman

1 minute ago, fathom said:

Oh come on, 3 of the 4 homers were on meatballs down the plate. Sadly Twins are so stacked that you just can’t make mistakes. They don’t have slap hitters like the Sox.

Hitters tend to hit mistakes. You all are acting like you‘re watching baseball for the first time. Buehrle, Sale and Quintana had multiple bad starts a year. That‘s just baseball

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

If you think the second HR was a meatball I can't help you. That was a curveball that clipped thethe bottom edge of the zone. Perfect pitch, he just got beat. 

That one was fine...the first and third to Cruz were awful and the Kepler one might have been his worst pitch of the season.

1 minute ago, fathom said:

That one was fine...the first and third to Cruz were awful and the Kepler one might have been his worst pitch of the season.

Honestly I'd like him to scrap the slider and work on getting the feel for his curveball back the rest of the season. He needs both. 

Abreu declining as fast as Chris Davis off the roids.  I'm surprised Ron is silent...

I think it’s pretty clear Don Cooper told him to throw pitches down the middle. 

1 minute ago, GermanSoxFan said:

Hitters tend to hit mistakes. You all are acting like you‘re watching baseball for the first time. Buehrle, Sale and Quintana had multiple bad starts a year. That‘s just baseball

Going from a 2.22 ERA seven starts ago (June 19th) to mid 3’s is more than just a couple of bad starts.

Can we end this Jon Jay nonsense...I'm so done with that guy!!!

1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

Honestly I'd like him to scrap the slider and work on getting the feel for his curveball back the rest of the season. He needs both. 

Hasn’t the slider been his best pitch statistically