Tnetennba Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Gee, that's some phrasing. Seriously. How heavy is that water you're carrying there Bob? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 So the lockout the billionaires started has gone nowhere because they have yet to bargain in good faith. But they are the ones going to grumble in frustration to the press at the lack of progress. GTFO with that nonsense. This shit is on you and on no one else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 It's a small win but at least so far it seems like the players haven't had to give anything up that they already have. Basically this is all about how much of what the owners currently have can be switched to the players. If the players were being asked to give something up that they already have I doubt this could ever be settled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said: We both understand that both sides make ridiculous offers and counter offers, but the owners have been refusing to counter. They aren't even negotiating, just saying no. I hope the mediation remedies this also, but it just feels like a stalling tactic to draw this out more and that really sucks. If you offered to sell someone a car for $15,000 and a guy offered you $2000...would you counter? I would say come back when you want to get serious. I think the owners should get a lot of credit for attempting to speed it up. Typical of unions...the players asked for a boatload of stuff they knew would be rejected. I was actually surprised when the owners didn't have a laundry list of silly stuff themselves. Mediation will speed it up for sure but if the players overplay their hand talks will come to a screeching halt and the season then gets to be in jeopardy. It was surprising to me that the owners didn't slow play this and let their superior financial position and unity wear down the players. After all, probably 80% or more of the players are going to gain nothing out of this work stoppage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 If an impasse is reached then the owners can imposse their last "offer" as the new cba. That seems to be the move here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 minute ago, poppysox said: If you offered to sell someone a car for $15,000 and a guy offered you $2000...would you counter? I would say come back when you want to get serious. I think the owners should get a lot of credit for attempting to speed it up. Typical of unions...the players asked for a boatload of stuff they knew would be rejected. I was actually surprised when the owners didn't have a laundry list of silly stuff themselves. Mediation will speed it up for sure but if the players overplay their hand talks will come to a screeching halt and the season then gets to be in jeopardy. It was surprising to me that the owners didn't slow play this and let their superior financial position and unity wear down the players. After all, probably 80% or more of the players are going to gain nothing out of this work stoppage. More accurate would be a company with record profits and raising prices, cutting salaries because of inflation and offering the car salesman a smaller than usual commission on the sale because of inflation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: The owners are human scum. Not all of them, but collectively they are. They are a cynical, greedy and overly prideful group used to getting their way even if they have to run someone over to get there. All of the players are nice people without a greedy bone in their bodies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 The owners are about ready to go on the offensive, I think they have the players right where they want them. They've really not told the public their side of the story... the players have been out there campaigning, and while they have the support of fans (as clearly demonstrated on this very board) I'm not certain it will continue to be that overwhelming once the owners state their case and we start losing actual spring games. The owners are about to *claim* that they are asking for changes to make the game more popular and to an extent fair, and that the players ONLY care about increasing their piece of the pie. Which to an extent is *partially* true. We are definitely at peak "Screw rich owners" in this country as a whole, which should be very good for the players so we will see what transpires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: If an impasse is reached then the owners can imposse their last "offer" as the new cba. That seems to be the move here. Yeah, its another hardball tactic. And its gross. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: More accurate would be a company with record profits and raising prices, cutting salaries because of inflation and offering the car salesman a smaller than usual commission on the sale because of inflation. Who said anything about cutting salaries? What does commission sales have to do with anything? If you want to see rising prices...keep overpaying the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, poppysox said: Who said anything about cutting salaries? What does commission sales have to do with anything? If you want to see rising prices...keep overpaying the help. That is literally what has happened in the last few years. Players shares of revenues are shrinking. That is what you are defending here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, poppysox said: Who said anything about cutting salaries? What does commission sales have to do with anything? If you want to see rising prices...keep overpaying the help. The owners. Their proposal would end The existence of Super-2 status for arbitration eligible players, which would take ten or so $10-20 million-ish contracts and turn them into minimum salary deals each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: More accurate would be a company with record profits and raising prices, cutting salaries because of inflation and offering the car salesman a smaller than usual commission on the sale because of inflation. No, it's more like the car company having record profits and the salesperson says we want a 10% raise and the company counters with a .02% raise. No one is asking the players to give back anything they earned in the last CBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The owners. Their proposal would end The existence of Super-2 status for arbitration eligible players, which would take ten or so $10-20 million-ish contracts and turn them into minimum salary deals each year. I believe Super-2 status and this 10-105 million pool are all tied together in some ways that have been left unclear in the reporting so far. It should be clear to you that it is the owners who are working feverishly to get the season started and the union is dragging its collective feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 20 minutes ago, poppysox said: All of the players are nice people without a greedy bone in their bodies. They just want to give the fans a better product. Those guys on teams like the Dodgers and Tampa Bay realize them winning 100+ games isn't a good product for the fans and want their teams to win less and Baltimore to win more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Texsox said: No, it's more like the car company having record profits and the salesperson says we want a 10% raise and the company counters with a .02% raise. No one is asking the players to give back anything they earned in the last CBA. Thank you Texsox. The analogy used by 2K5 was so off the money it left me speechless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, poppysox said: I believe Super-2 status and this 10-105 million pool are all tied together in some ways that have been left unclear in the reporting so far. It should be clear to you that it is the owners who are working feverishly to get the season started and the union is dragging its collective feet. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: LOL! Just attempting to put a little sunshine in your day😉. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, poppysox said: I believe Super-2 status and this 10-105 million pool are all tied together in some ways that have been left unclear in the reporting so far. It should be clear to you that it is the owners who are working feverishly to get the season started and the union is dragging its collective feet. LMFAO. That was a good joke that made me laugh for sure. Edited February 3, 2022 by Bob Sacamano 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Just now, poppysox said: Just attempting to put a little sunshine in your day😉. Well I am getting what seems like 43 days worth of snow… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Seriously. How heavy is that water you're carrying there Bob? Just ask his burner account, poppysox. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Well I am getting what seems like 43 days worth of snow… Not to worry...Spring is right around the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, poppysox said: Not to worry...Spring is right around the corner. Spring for sure. Spring Training,...tbd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Just ask his burner account, poppysox. I wish! He gets free seats in the press box...all I get is grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: LMFAO. That was a good joke that made me laugh for sure. Yeah, that's was a good chuckle. It's pretty obvious to fans who don't have blind fealty to ownership that the owners aren't in fact working furiously to come to a resolution. Quite the opposite in fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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