January 18, 20233 yr Buehrle is definitely staying on the ballot. I wonder if the clearing of names gets him to near the 20% mark.
January 23, 20233 yr So this jackass thought Rolen was worthy last year, but not when he’s knocking on the door. The voting process need to change, but I guess this what the Hall wants.
January 25, 20233 yr The video of him telling his parents is a real tear jerker. Listening to his voice crack . . . Wow.
January 25, 20233 yr 17 hours ago, JoshPR said: Rolen was solid. Rolen is in Jeff Kent should be in Rolen was one of the best defensive third baseman of all time. To me that is the decisive difference
January 25, 20233 yr 49 minutes ago, FourEyesShottenhoffer said: Rolen was one of the best defensive third baseman of all time. To me that is the decisive difference Totally agree with you. But Kent was solid. And was a second baseman
January 25, 20233 yr 6 minutes ago, JoshPR said: Totally agree with you. But Kent was solid. And was a second baseman Yeah I wouldn’t really mind if he got in but he’s way more borderline than Rolen imo. WAR confirms it. To me, 70 WAR is a level where you can say this is definitely a hall of famer, which is where Rolen is at
January 25, 20233 yr 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Wagner and Andruw Jones deserve it more than Rolen. Fight me. All 3 (and Helton) deserve it and the BBWAA needs to do a voter purge.
January 25, 20233 yr Beltran’s jump next year will be interesting. I’d like to see Beltran, Beltre, Wagner, and Helton to get in next year. Maybe Mauer the following year on his second ballot with Jones, Ichiro, and Sabathia. They need a good cluster of guys getting in the next couple years.
January 25, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Wagner and Andruw Jones deserve it more than Rolen. Fight me. How much more?
January 26, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Wagner and Andruw Jones deserve it more than Rolen. Fight me. Wagner I agree. Jones was great with the Braves. Wish he wouldnt have gotten hurt.
January 26, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, flavum said: Beltran’s jump next year will be interesting. I’d like to see Beltran, Beltre, Wagner, and Helton to get in next year. Maybe Mauer the following year on his second ballot with Jones, Ichiro, and Sabathia. They need a good cluster of guys getting in the next couple years. Beltran should be in. Weird enough Carlos Delgado fell off the ballott
January 26, 20233 yr 18 minutes ago, JoshPR said: Beltran should be in. Weird enough Carlos Delgado fell off the ballott Beltran not getting in on his first ballot was absolutely related to the Astros cheating scandal.
January 26, 20233 yr 24 minutes ago, JoshPR said: Wagner I agree. Jones was great with the Braves. Wish he wouldnt have gotten hurt. Jones has 67 career fWAR and Rolen has 69. Almost everyone who has that many WAR eventually gets into the Hall unless there's something like steroids in the way. Rolen has 70 baseball-reference WAR and I believe coming into this year he was the only eligible non-steroid player with 70 career WAR who wasn't yet in the Hall.
January 26, 20233 yr 40 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Jones has 67 career fWAR and Rolen has 69. Almost everyone who has that many WAR eventually gets into the Hall unless there's something like steroids in the way. Rolen has 70 baseball-reference WAR and I believe coming into this year he was the only eligible non-steroid player with 70 career WAR who wasn't yet in the Hall. I had Beltran and Jones with borderline cases, but like to limit future inductees to those above the average current hall of famer at that position. For 3B, Rolen is 10th all time in JAWS (56.9) and above the average HOF 3B in all three metrics (bWAR / bWAR7 and JAWS). 3B and C have also been the two positions underrepresented. For CF, Beltran is 9th (57.3 with 70.1 bWAR and 44.4 WAR7) and Jones 11th (54.6, 62.7 and 46.4), whereas the average CF HOF is 58.1 JAWS. 71.6 bWAR, 44.7 bWAR7. Wouldn't be pissed if they ultimately got in after the two dozen or so better cases, and there are definitely well over 50 current HOF players they are better than. That said, if you keep going the slippery slope route, the BBHOF would have at least 100 more inductees and a dozen additions each subsequent year. If Baines is the standard, make that several hundred additional inductees and a class of 40 new inductees each year. Sidebar - Looked at Larry Doby's page / qualifications and noticed Lin Brehmer sponsored his page on Baseball Reference. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dobyla01.shtml Sad to hear of his passing last Sunday. Edited January 26, 20233 yr by South Side Hit Men
January 26, 20233 yr 8 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Wagner and Andruw Jones deserve it more than Rolen. Fight me. Totally agree. At least Harold is no longer at the bottom of the list.
January 27, 20233 yr On 1/25/2023 at 7:28 PM, Balta1701 said: Beltran not getting in on his first ballot was absolutely related to the Astros cheating scandal. When I used should I have said eventually. You make a really good case for andruw in your other post. I was just stating that if Jones wouldn't have gotten hurt Lord knows what his numbers might have been
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