December 9, 20232 yr Just saw this tweet and didn't see a good place to post it...please merge with a different thread if there's a more appropriate location for it. This seems like a complete 180 from whatever the last front office was doing, hiring people with science (kinesiology) backgrounds to assist in player development. Feels like Bannister has his fingerprints all over this and seems like a modern approach to baseball.
December 9, 20232 yr It certainly can't hurt. I hope they continue to go down these avenues and get caught up with the rest of the league.
December 9, 20232 yr https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-dolphin-ryan-fitzpatrick-tua-174918502.html Football is obviously a quite different and distinctive sport…but will we ever see quotes like this about a Grifol-led staff? Yogi Berra quote about baseball being 90% mental and the other half physical comes to mind. Or the psychological struggles of players like Konerko, Kopech, Carlos Quentin, Gordon Beckham and Jared Kelenic (Harold shoutout).
December 9, 20232 yr Author 8 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-dolphin-ryan-fitzpatrick-tua-174918502.html Football is obviously a quite different and distinctive sport…but will we ever see quotes like this about a Grifol-led staff? Yogi Berra quote about baseball being 90% mental and the other half physical comes to mind. Or the psychological struggles of players like Konerko, Kopech, Carlos Quentin, Gordon Beckham and Jared Kelenic (Harold shoutout). Absolutely. I assume mental hang-ups would mean even more in baseball, where you have only a 200 or so millisecond window to make a decision that means the difference between success and failure. You can't second guess yourself. I don't think Pedro is the jerk that Flores is, but listening to him speak, I doubt he's inspiring confidence in his players to be their best. I think even La Russa was better at that. I still love TA as a player, but he strikes me as a pretty insecure guy and needed an "inspiring figure" to help him succeed. Pedro is not that.
December 9, 20232 yr The Hahn regime had this too. What hopefully will be different is he just added people and expected them to be Superman and integrate it themselves rather that work to get whole org aligned
December 9, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, bmags said: The Hahn regime had this too. What hopefully will be different is he just added people and expected them to be Superman and integrate it themselves rather that work to get whole org aligned Who was that outsider super coach with the big online following and more youth/college experience who didn't even last a year with Sox again?
December 10, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Who was that outsider super coach with the big online following and more youth/college experience who didn't even last a year with Sox again? Matt Lisle
December 10, 20232 yr Author 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Matt Lisle Quote “I was trying to get the camps going and it all came crashing down. I was doing part-time gigs and the bills piled up,” Lisle said. “The house I rented, I negotiated to stay one more month in exchange for them keeping my deposit. After that, I put my stuff in storage and did not pay the bill. I bounced on friends’ couches and I stayed in my car. I was at rock bottom.” Lisle said he battled his own demons as found himself sleeping in his car, trying to figure out his next step. “I was fighting a lot of negative voices, fears and depression,” Lisle admitted. “It was very difficult.” https://chronicleillinois.com/news/cook-county-news/white-sox-hitting-coach-slugs-through-tough-times/ I like this guy. I guess he works for Oregon State now. Wish him the best.
December 10, 20232 yr 22 minutes ago, nrockway said: I like this guy. I guess he works for Oregon State now. Wish him the best. Should take Madrigal with him...
December 10, 20232 yr Author 29 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Should take Madrigal with him... That's an interesting point. I wonder if there's a Sox/Oregon State connection like there was a Bulls/Iowa State connection. Sox did select an an Oregon State guy in the 17th round of this past draft, Mikey Kane, who played 7 games in rookie league and posted a .839 OPS, 9 singles and 4 walks. Edited December 10, 20232 yr by nrockway
December 10, 20232 yr Author 32 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Should take Madrigal with him... Sox also took Jace Fry out of OSU in the third round in 2014, right below Michael Conforto, Of course, OSU produces a lot of good players like Adley Rutschman, Steven Kwan and Drew Rasmussen so maybe it's just a coincidence.
December 10, 20232 yr 32 minutes ago, nrockway said: That's an interesting point. I wonder if there's a Sox/Oregon State connection like there was a Bulls/Iowa State connection. Sox did select an an Oregon State guy in the 17th round of this past draft, Mikey Kane, who played 7 games in rookie league and posted a .839 OPS, 9 singles and 4 walks. Had Madrigal Grenier Rutschman Larnach and Guardians' LF who shall not be named. And then the pitcher with underage sexual assault/family issues who the Royals were going to take under their wings at one point. Edited December 10, 20232 yr by caulfield12
December 10, 20232 yr Bazzana is the prize Oregon State guy this year. Chances are he’s gone by the time the Sox pick, but they could, and probably will, do worse.
December 10, 20232 yr 11 hours ago, nrockway said: I like this guy. I guess he works for Oregon State now. Wish him the best. He works for the Oregon St softball team. There's a Madrigal joke there but I won't make it.
December 10, 20232 yr Just for the record, I wasn’t referring to Lisle, I was talking about Ben Hansen who was in a similar capacity here. He was credited with finding more velo on Kade McClure. He left to do some sports stuff with intel, and then was hired by the Mets to be director of sports performance. By all accounts, was a talented hire, but didn’t stick around and I assume because there wasn’t a lot to do in the Sox org.
December 10, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, bmags said: By all accounts, was a talented hire, but didn’t stick around and I assume because there wasn’t a lot to do in the Sox org. I don't know anything. But I'm guessing the KW/Hahn dynamic was purely toxic. The fact that such a big deal was made about a single decision maker says to me that a lot of mixed messages were flying around at so many levels.
December 10, 20232 yr Author 1 hour ago, bmags said: Just for the record, I wasn’t referring to Lisle, I was talking about Ben Hansen who was in a similar capacity here. He was credited with finding more velo on Kade McClure. He left to do some sports stuff with intel, and then was hired by the Mets to be director of sports performance. By all accounts, was a talented hire, but didn’t stick around and I assume because there wasn’t a lot to do in the Sox org. I think there's room to be optimistic that the new front office might actually be able to build a savvy player development staff and give them useful tasks to perform. At least Bannister did it successfully in San Francisco. I don't know how much he's actually doing with the Sox on a day to day basis, but I have to hope that Getz is letting him build a similar system here.
December 10, 20232 yr 53 minutes ago, nrockway said: I think there's room to be optimistic that the new front office might actually be able to build a savvy player development staff and give them useful tasks to perform. At least Bannister did it successfully in San Francisco. I don't know how much he's actually doing with the Sox on a day to day basis, but I have to hope that Getz is letting him build a similar system here. He at least had a front seat to what Zaidi built, who was the LAD player dev guru the first half of the Friedman era. It is the benefit of Getz getting outside hires, they’ve seen what successful operations look like. Now hopefully they can execute them in a Reinsdorf culture of laziness.
December 11, 20232 yr How are Haber, Fabian, and Williams Jr. still part of this organization? I know it's because of Jerry! Ridiculous that those 3 are still part of the organization along with Boyer. I can't wait until Jerry passes away.
December 11, 20232 yr https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/team/front-office Ridiculous how many higher end executive jobs (446 executive employees) their are in this organization especially in the Ticket office. I wish we can get rid of some these positions that are useless and put it towards analytics and scouting. Edited December 11, 20232 yr by PolishPrince34
December 11, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, PolishPrince34 said: https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/team/front-office Ridiculous how many higher end executive jobs (446 executive employees) their are in this organization especially in the Ticket office. I wish we can get rid of some these positions that are useless and put it towards analytics and scouting. Reinsdorf would have made a great bureaucrat.
December 12, 20232 yr 10 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said: Reinsdorf would have made a great bureaucrat. He very clearly did. He started out as an IRS attorney, which explains a great deal of his incompetence and unwillingness to spend on quality. Edited December 12, 20232 yr by Dam8610
December 12, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, PolishPrince34 said: How are Haber, Fabian, and Williams Jr. still part of this organization? I know it's because of Jerry! Ridiculous that those 3 are still part of the organization along with Boyer. I can't wait until Jerry passes away. Hostetler is gone?
December 12, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said: Reinsdorf would have made a great bureaucrat. Could just imagine them dealing with Chernobyl in that doc-style retelling...
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