1 hour ago, greg775 said:

Watch an interview today compared to 10 years ago. Hosts of shows interrupt their guests, scream at their guests if they don't agree with the popular narrative. My take is Soros got to 'em. Just my take.

uh oh...

3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Who was Jerry’s immediate choice for new GM after not interviewing anyone else outside of the organization, or anyone else period?

Same thing when Kenny was kicked upstairs and Hahn was promoted. 

5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Who was Jerry’s immediate choice for new GM after admitting that he did not interview anyone else outside of the organization, or anyone else period?

I understand that, but he was saying the Sox making changes all of the time. Which, isn't true. They very rarely make changes. And, at least with this change it does seem like some larger organizational things are happening. Whether or not they are for the better remains to be seen.

14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It's the same owner.  And we have done this before.  Many times.

So having the same owner but an entirely different organizational structure is exactly the same as before?

 

This is the definition of choosing to be negative and not giving the new people and structure and chance.

 

Again, everyone is allowed to think and believe what they want. I just don't understand the always choosing the negative.

Edited December 21, 20241 yr by ptatc

14 minutes ago, ptatc said:

So having the same owner but an entirely different organizational structure is exactly the same as before?

 

This is the definition of choosing to be negative and not giving the new people and structure and chance.

 

Again, everyone is allowed to think and believe what they want. I just don't understand the always choosing the negative.

The first thing Jerry did after firing Hahn and Kenny was promote the assistant GM to full GM after admitting he never interviewed anyone else for the job.  He did not consider another candidate for the position, internally or externally.  That sure seems like more of the same White Sox way operationally.

11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The first thing Jerry did after firing Hahn and Kenny was promote the assistant GM to full GM after admitting he never interviewed anyone else for the job.  He did not consider another candidate for the position, internally or externally.  That sure seems like more of the same White Sox way operationally.

But then he hired multiple people from outside the organization and created a director of pitching position and a director of hitting position to try to create more organizational consistency. None of this is the old White Sox way. 

 

30 minutes ago, ptatc said:

So having the same owner but an entirely different organizational structure is exactly the same as before?

 

This is the definition of choosing to be negative and not giving the new people and structure and chance.

 

Again, everyone is allowed to think and believe what they want. I just don't understand the always choosing the negative.

When you promote a guy who would have been fired anywhere else because his previous experience was a complete failure to do a job he had never done before? The same owner who wouldn't let this vital new structure go into place for a year so he didn't have to pay to fire people?  The same owner who has historically had the smallest front office, scouting, and analytics departments in baseball?  

Packaging it as new is a sales job, not actually anything new.  The main problems still exist, which are Jerry and the obedient snitches and yes men he surrounds himself with.

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

When you promote a guy who would have been fired anywhere else because his previous experience was a complete failure to do a job he had never done before? The same owner who wouldn't let this vital new structure go into place for a year so he didn't have to pay to fire people?  The same owner who has historically had the smallest front office, scouting, and analytics departments in baseball?  

Packaging it as new is a sales job, not actually anything new.  The main problems still exist, which are Jerry and the obedient snitches and yes men he surrounds himself with.

The same owners who has historically had the smallest front office and organization who changed all of that with the new positions and hired nearly all of them from outside the organization.

11 minutes ago, ptatc said:

The same owners who has historically had the smallest front office and organization who changed all of that with the new positions and hired nearly all of them from outside the organization.

We did this before too.

Remember Marco Paddy?  Hostetler? Pedro? The guy we hired a couple of years ago who was going to redo analytics and then quietly disappeared? We had to promote Rick Hahn because everyone else wanted him and he was going to modernize every thing.  Sound familiar?  They just posted a job to run Latin Am scouting operations, so that has been empty. 

8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

We did this before too.

Remember Marco Paddy?  Hostetler? Pedro? The guy we hired a couple of years ago who was going to redo analytics and then quietly disappeared? We had to promote Rick Hahn because everyone else wanted him and he was going to modernize every thing.  Sound familiar?  They just posted a job to run Latin Am scouting operations, so that has been empty. 

I didn't see a significant structural change with all of the new postions with the intent to make the entire organization more efficient and consistent.

Nothing about all of these changes sound or look familiar. They've never had an organizational director of pitching and an organizational director of hitting.

Edited December 21, 20241 yr by ptatc

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

I didn't see a significant structural change with all of the new postions with the intent to make the entire organization more efficient and consistent.

Nothing about all of these changes sound or look familiar. They've never had an organizational director of pitching and an organizational director of hitting.

Until JR is no longer calling the shots all these "changes" are simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Like my dad used to say, "The Sox would screw up a two-car funeral."

Sooner or later these new individuals are going to find out the hard way that JR isn't going to fundamentally change his philosophy on how a baseball team should be run especially when it comes to paying for talent.  

The only hope is that new ownership will arrive sooner rather than later. In that case maybe they keep some of the new hirings and give them a realistic chance to do what they will.

4 hours ago, T R U said:

This is a message board, I’m interested in seeing why he thought this team would win 50  or more games. I wasn’t looking for someone to “change my mind”. 

Sure but what did you expect ? Like I said it could just be the difference in attitude about certain players.  No one here can predict development. Where you see red flags someone else watched a podcast with a coach talking about how the guy had developed and it changes from year to year which may sway him more than some dude on Soxtalk . He give his opinion you disagree and on and on its goes. Everyone reads what's going on differently .The only difference is if you can present your ideas without laughing or getting snarky at opposing views. That doesn't happen a lot around here because it takes time and length to explain and communicate. So people would rather say how can you think that ? Are you crazy ? There's not a lot of real baseball talk here. It's all pretty much biased by how badly you hate all things White Sox right now.

2 hours ago, ptatc said:

I didn't see a significant structural change with all of the new postions with the intent to make the entire organization more efficient and consistent.

Nothing about all of these changes sound or look familiar. They've never had an organizational director of pitching and an organizational director of hitting.

Nope it's all the same as before until it isn't.Dont expect much fall in line with the naysayers. No specifics on how these new changes are just like the old ways because it can't be quantified.

Bannister is all over podcasts talking about all aspects of what was done with Crochet and who he thinks deserves credit for how it all turned out but hey he's Don Cooper  I've seen Bannister on so many podcasts . I just watched another one on the Baseball Isn't Boring podcast sounding eloquent about pitching as usual.

6 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Aw.  Poor you.

That response made no sense whatsoever. It didn't even remotely respond to anything I said.

Everyone in this thread is now dumber from reading your response . I award you no points  and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

 

58 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Until JR is no longer calling the shots all these "changes" are simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Like my dad used to say, "The Sox would screw up a two-car funeral."

Sooner or later these new individuals are going to find out the hard way that JR isn't going to fundamentally change his philosophy on how a baseball team should be run especially when it comes to paying for talent.  

The only hope is that new ownership will arrive sooner rather than later. In that case maybe they keep some of the new hirings and give them a realistic chance to do what they will.

That's one way to look at it. I just disagree. I'll give the new regime a chance.

35 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Nope it's all the same as before until it isn't.Dont expect much fall in line with the naysayers. No specifics on how these new changes are just like the old ways because it can't be quantified.

Bannister is all over podcasts talking about all aspects of what was done with Crochet and who he thinks deserves credit for how it all turned out but hey he's Don Cooper  I've seen Bannister on so many podcasts . I just watched another one on the Baseball Isn't Boring podcast sounding eloquent about pitching as usual.

I know. I realize this. I've been posting and reading here for 20 years. It's amazing how it's changed.

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Until JR is no longer calling the shots all these "changes" are simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Like my dad used to say, "The Sox would screw up a two-car funeral."

Sooner or later these new individuals are going to find out the hard way that JR isn't going to fundamentally change his philosophy on how a baseball team should be run especially when it comes to paying for talent.  

The only hope is that new ownership will arrive sooner rather than later. In that case maybe they keep some of the new hirings and give them a realistic chance to do what they will.

And that's reasonable, we've always agreed who was responsible for most of the debacles but in the meantime Getz is getting his shot at implementing structural changes because compared to players salaries those things are relatively cheap.

I don't have much hope that the Sox can make the playoffs soon but time is ticking on the Jerry Reinsdorf regime. Best not to expect miracles. We got our once in 100+ years miracle in 2005 .It takes things we usually don't get to get another one. So I just like to see some year to year progress until JR shakes hands with Father Time.

Edited December 22, 20241 yr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Sure but what did you expect ? Like I said it could just be the difference in attitude about certain players.  No one here can predict development. Where you see red flags someone else watched a podcast with a coach talking about how the guy had developed and it changes from year to year which may sway him more than some dude on Soxtalk . He give his opinion you disagree and on and on its goes. Everyone reads what's going on differently .The only difference is if you can present your ideas without laughing or getting snarky at opposing views. That doesn't happen a lot around here because it takes time and length to explain and communicate. So people would rather say how can you think that ? Are you crazy ? There's not a lot of real baseball talk here. It's all pretty much biased by how badly you hate all things White Sox right now.

I literally just wanted to hear why he thought this team is better than last years team since he didn’t elaborate in his original post. I don’t need to argue with anyone here, in fact I find it kinda of dumb at this point in my life we’re all here because we’re all Sox fans so it’s kind of funny how much a lot of people here hate each other. 

43 minutes ago, ptatc said:

That's one way to look at it. I just disagree. I'll give the new regime a chance.

How long is your rope? Getz took over made a bunch of crappy trades and bad FA signings which lead to the disaster of 2024. Now, the Crochet trade was good in my opinion but here we are again trading away young arms for older nothing players trying to patch holes on a talentless team. This offseason has almost been a carbon copy of last year the only difference being a slightly better trade of our #1 pitcher. 
 

I would love to see my favorite team be good again, we’re just doing the same s%*# that didn’t work last year. 

16 minutes ago, T R U said:

How long is your rope? Getz took over made a bunch of crappy trades and bad FA signings which lead to the disaster of 2024. Now, the Crochet trade was good in my opinion but here we are again trading away young arms for older nothing players trying to patch holes on a talentless team. This offseason has almost been a carbon copy of last year the only difference being a slightly better trade of our #1 pitcher. 
 

I would love to see my favorite team be good again, we’re just doing the same s%*# that didn’t work last year. 

I definitely give him more than one year especially when he was trying to tank. I would say 3 years to show significant improvement to see how his organizational changes work.

The moves so far are just to hold places until the prospects come up. He hasn't really been trying to win and won't this year either. It's a rebuild.

Edited December 22, 20241 yr by ptatc

24 minutes ago, ptatc said:

I definitely give him more than one year especially when he was trying to tank. I would say 3 years to show significant improvement to see how his organizational changes work.

The moves so far are just to hold places until the prospects come up. He hasn't really been trying to win and won't this year either. It's a rebuild.

There’s no way they were trying to tank. Getz has no business being a GM, that’s not his fault though it’s the owners fault for looking at his decaying organization and refusing to do the hard reboot that was needed. We were told it wasn’t a rebuild, we were told that we were owed not wasting any time and yet here we are today as the worst team in baseball history. 
 

I would be much more patient and understanding had they just done the right thing from the beginning but we just got fed a load of crap. This team won’t be good this year, and won’t be good next year. Again, would love to be proven wrong but I work for a man who has a great saying “crash jobs usually do.” 

14 minutes ago, T R U said:

There’s no way they were trying to tank. Getz has no business being a GM, that’s not his fault though it’s the owners fault for looking at his decaying organization and refusing to do the hard reboot that was needed. We were told it wasn’t a rebuild, we were told that we were owed not wasting any time and yet here we are today as the worst team in baseball history. 
 

I would be much more patient and understanding had they just done the right thing from the beginning but we just got fed a load of crap. This team won’t be good this year, and won’t be good next year. Again, would love to be proven wrong but I work for a man who has a great saying “crash jobs usually do.” 

I disagree. I dont think he was trying to build a contender. They said it wasn't a rebuild but everyone knows it really is. They weren't going to say, "we are trying to suck." They will be bad this year but it's going to be with mostly young players getting experience to be good in a couple of years.

10 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Perpetual rebuilds and losing will do that to most fans.  Let’s blame the fans, not the greedy loser in charge of the team.

Sox are the worst run franchise in sports. Too easy to defend that statement. Jerry's legacy is ruined. Yes he has six Bulls titles and one Sox title yet he's a top 10 worst owner in sports history. Hard to do with that many titles.

7 hours ago, ptatc said:

So having the same owner but an entirely different organizational structure is exactly the same as before?

 

This is the definition of choosing to be negative and not giving the new people and structure and chance.

 

Again, everyone is allowed to think and believe what they want. I just don't understand the always choosing the negative.

Many of us were positive for decades. Yes decades. Now many of us have finally given up. That's what a 120-loss season will do to you and a ridiculous tank job that insulted the intelligence of tons of fans. Sox earned the negativity. Again many of us hung on forever even through that awful tank job. I was against it but gave it a chance. Now? No way. Not til I see some real ballplayers getting acquired/developed and not a roster full of last place baseball players.

21 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Nope. Jerry knows he’s fucking over the fans and doesn’t care. The McCaskeys are just stupid.

I will agree with you that the McCaskey's are just stupid