32 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Then I would think that after 10 years, you might be able to see the difference between an excuse and just talking about the difference in approach from year to year. 

 

I would think so to, but here you are making excuses.

5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

People daring to criticize Chris Getz sure seems to affect your life.

Criticize all you want. Calling me names because I won't validate your petulance isn't criticizing the team. I dunno. Maybe you're still mad about my comment last week about drinking being your job. Sorry. 

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Well, there you go.

The PTAC response about baseball for the pure enjoyment of the sport, and not the emotional attachment and correlated high's and low's of winning losing.

But for die hard White Sox fans, those that give up season tickets, don't renew the Sox tv package/MLB.com, don't give Sox-related gifts at Christmas, don't have the next generation of kids growing up as Sox fans, it will definitely affect the fate of the franchise...unless they can find an owner willing to invest $2 billion plus another $500 million to $1 billion into a new stadium development in Chicago.

Once they get back up over .500, the White Sox onesies and pencil pouches will fly off the shelves again. 

Again, I used to be a solid Bears' fan. I finally got tired of being angry all year, and dropped the Bears. Perhaps I've gotten that way with the White Sox, but I still watch. 

7 hours ago, Quin said:

Maybe this and Wilson paint a picture: Getz's meta is acquiring old, controllable relievers with hopes to flip them?

Getz did trade a 32 year old reliever with very little mlb track record a few months ago for a 45 FV prospect.

24 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Getz did trade a 32 year old reliever with very little mlb track record a few months ago for a 45 FV prospect.

What was that again?

31 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Once they get back up over .500, the White Sox onesies and pencil pouches will fly off the shelves again. 

Again, I used to be a solid Bears' fan. I finally got tired of being angry all year, and dropped the Bears. Perhaps I've gotten that way with the White Sox, but I still watch. 

And yet you've spent more hours than the entire Bears' season in real time defending a GM...well, now you have Cali on your side too taking a devil's advocate position since arguing the same points unceasingly was getting too monotonous.

There has been one notable shift.

The Sox fans are no longer getting blamed for this mess...all downward arrows are pointing at ownership's almost deliberate sabotage of the payroll and surrendering media/tv battle almost completely over to Ricketts and the Cubs. Capitulation.

14 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

What was that again?

Tanner Banks

2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Getz did trade a 32 year old reliever with very little mlb track record a few months ago for a 45 FV prospect.

Tanner Banks?  oops asked/answered.

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Is Cam any good or will he drive us to booze?

56 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Is Cam any good or will he drive us to booze?

Just being "more than a casual fan of the White Sox" drove the majority of us to booze/drugs as a coping mechanism, with or without the presence of a Booser in the bullpen.

 

Well, there was Boof Bonser and Carlos Boozer and Cameron/Cayden Boozer, so why not this guy with the cool-sounding name and pretty incredible backstory???

delete   annoying British coworker/NFL fantasy football expert wrote a pro Dodgers message on my computer lol

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2 hours ago, greg775 said:

Is Cam any good or will he drive us to booze?

There’s a 99.9% chance this turns into a nothing for nothing trade.

I don't know if Booser pans out at 32, but it wouldn't surprise me if he has some success.

Relievers come out of nowhere sometimes, look at Chafin with the Cubs. Granted he was a 1st round pick and was respectable and then at 30 years old put together 3 awesome seasons out of the pen. The Cubs flipped him at the trade deadline in 2021 to Oakland.

Liam Hendricks is another example of a 30 year old finally putting it together and becoming an All Star.

10 hours ago, greg775 said:

Is Cam any good or will he drive us to booze?

White Sox Baseball:

Stand for the National Anthem

"Play Ball"

3 shoots of Blantons

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7 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

There’s a 99.9% chance this turns into a nothing for nothing trade.

Just remember how long Rick Hahn played that game. For 20 years we heard about how the guy we gave away wouldn’t turn into anything of value and they were almost always right…until all of a sudden it was wrong.

32 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Just remember how long Rick Hahn played that game. For 20 years we heard about how the guy we gave away wouldn’t turn into anything of value and they were almost always right…until all of a sudden it was wrong.

I get that. And in a nothing for nothing trade, I'd error on the side of youth and keep the younger player. But we will see what this guy has. He was decent in the majors last year but has been awful in the minors except when he pitched for the Chicago Dogs.

8 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

There’s a 99.9% chance this turns into a nothing for nothing trade.

Probably for any one specific trade like this, but then you do it enough and Tatis happens.

8 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

There’s a 99.9% chance this turns into a nothing for nothing trade.

i dont know that we have to put the chances THAT high. we just saw something like this where we acquired Middleton cheap and built him up to then be worth Juan Carela, who is a nice starter prospect that is at least good enough to have had to protect in rule V draft

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Probably for any one specific trade like this, but then you do it enough and Tatis happens.

Tatis, Semien, Bassitt, Gio, Montas, Escobar, Reed, Hudson, Devenski.

1 hour ago, Quin said:

Tatis, Semien, Bassitt, Gio, Montas, Escobar, Reed, Hudson, Devenski.

And it seems really wild since we are literally trying to hire someone to run the Latin American scouting.  So are we dealing a guy without our people knowing anything about him?

1 hour ago, Quin said:

Tatis, Semien, Bassitt, Gio, Montas, Escobar, Reed, Hudson, Devenski.

Maybe I’m wrong but wouldn’t most teams have a list similar to this if you look back over the past 15 years? Even a great org like the Dodgers has traded prospects Yordan Alvarez and Carlos Santana away in that timeframe (both were absolutely brutal trades), among many others I’m sure.

It’s not so much that the Sox have traded away prospects that went on to have success but it’s that when they have they haven’t acquired enough talent in return and/or been competitive enough to make it count.

10 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

There’s a 99.9% chance this turns into a nothing for nothing trade.

How you figure. He looked like a quality left hand major league reliever last year

18 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Maybe I’m wrong but wouldn’t most teams have a list similar to this if you look back over the past 15 years? Even a great org like the Dodgers has traded prospects Yordan Alvarez and Carlos Santana away in that timeframe (both were absolutely brutal trades), among many others I’m sure.

It’s not so much that the Sox have traded away prospects that went on to have success but it’s that when they have they haven’t acquired enough talent in return and/or been competitive enough to make it count.

Two MVP caliber/perennial All-Star players+ is pretty bad in return for James Shields and Jeff Samardzija. 

1 hour ago, Quin said:

Two MVP caliber/perennial All-Star players+ is pretty bad in return for James Shields and Jeff Samardzija. 

And how about Josh Fields and Casey Blake? Because those were the returns for Yordan Alvarez and Carlos Santana. Pretty bad.

5 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

And how about Josh Fields and Casey Blake? Because those were the returns for Yordan Alvarez and Carlos Santana. Pretty bad.

The Dodgers also have two World Series championships and have been to the playoffs 11 years in a row, so they get a pass.