Sox are getting 6 on MLB Pipeline list

[buckweaver]

15 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Prospect Points...reverse ordered, so top prospects overweighted but teams also rewarded for multiple guys

notice four Central teams comprise Top 9...Padres and Jays wiped out by Sasaki decision while Dodgers just get stronger

 

1. White Sox=364

2. Detroit Tigers=337

3. LA Dodgers=317

4. Boston Red Sox=307

5. Seattle Mariners=263

6. Chicago Cubs=253

7. Cleveland Guardians=263

8. Phillies=212

9. Minnesota Twins=202

10. Texas Rangers=192

11. TB Rays=185

12. Pirates=183

13. Reds=177

14. Orioles=175

15. Cardinals=158

16. Padres=151

17. Nationals=150

18. Royals=149

19. Rockies=148

20. Brewers=144

21. A's=133

22. Mets=98

23. Marlins=96

24. AZ=90

25. Yankees=80

26. SFG=77

27. Angels=56

28. Braves=50

29. Astros=42

30. Blue Jays=27

 

This dickish comments made in response to your quickly sharing relevant information are perfect examples of why many chose not to post. Thanks for sharing good info. on a cold winter day.

[Lyle Moooton]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Nope.

Others receiving votes.

Still eligible with under 50 ip.

I think you’re wrong. He was “others getting votes” for BA, but this list is Pipeline, so he could have been among the Top 100 if still eligible. He exceeded prospect status limits for our Top 30, so I would guess the same for Top 100. 

[caulfield12]

5 minutes ago, buckweaver said:

This dickish comments made in response to your quickly sharing relevant information are perfect examples of why many chose not to post. Thanks for sharing good info. on a cold winter day.

I was really hoping Quero would be on there....after the BA snub.

Right now...so little to be able to get excited about for the upcoming season.

What really got me was the Buehrle video...hearing the excitement in Harrelson's voice.

Back in those days...used to live and die with every win and loss.

Now that's not an entirely balanced thing over a 162 game season...but I think almost any Sox fan would tell you the feeling of following those 2005-2008 seasons or even 1990-93-94 is just not the same when you're the worst team in the history of baseball.

There's always been that inferiority complex with the Cubs...but this kind of suffering is almost masochistoc.  If there was a guarantee of a winning product at the end of the rainbow...but we don't even have a new stadium to look forward to again.

It's like the team is being held hostage and the only light at the end of the tunnel is maybe they pass away so their family can avoid capital gains taxes.

But that has nothing to do with the everyday existence of a baseball fan...especially fans that have witnessed so many losses since 2013.

Meredith in mediocrity seems a heckuvs lot more competitive than a rebuild we're already skeptical will be culminating in judicious FA finishing moves 

[caulfield12]

6 minutes ago, Lyle Moooton said:

I think you’re wrong. He was “others getting votes” for BA, but this list is Pipeline, so he could have been among the Top 100 if still eligible. He exceeded prospect status limits for our Top 30, so I would guess the same for Top 100. 

BA eliminated him simply because of his vote total...not lack of eligibility.

MLB Pipeline hasn't put out an others/just missed list as of yet...guys like Ramos or Colas in past seasons.

But my understanding is that BA had over 200 additional players receiving at least one vote/Top 100 spot.

[Lyle Moooton]

7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

BA eliminated him simply because of his vote total...not lack of eligibility.

MLB Pipeline hasn't put out an others/just missed list as of yet...guys like Ramos or Colas in past seasons.

But my understanding is that BA had over 200 additional players receiving at least one vote/Top 100 spot.

Dude did you read my post? I said BA put him on the “others mentioned” list. I know it wasn’t lack of eligibility for them. 
 

Thorpe isn’t eligible for Pipeline’s criteria is what I’m saying. So your initial post I was replying to is incorrect. That was my point. 

[caulfield12]

21 minutes ago, Lyle Moooton said:

Dude did you read my post? I said BA put him on the “others mentioned” list. I know it wasn’t lack of eligibility for them. 
 

Thorpe isn’t eligible for Pipeline’s criteria is what I’m saying. So your initial post I was replying to is incorrect. That was my point. 

"Prospect eligibility" shouldn't be dramatically different between the two lists...usually 50 ip 130 at bats (rookie status) or days on the active roster, although top prospects ts almost never lose eligibility NY sitting on the roster and not playing at all.

I just re read the article at Pipeline but failed to see/find their official definition.

https://www.mlb.com/news/top-100-prospects-list-mlb-pipeline-preseason-2025?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

Edited January 25 by caulfield12

[TaylorStSox]

The Sox receive the most prospect points and every post in this thread is negative. 

[Lyle Moooton]

16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

"Prospect eligibility" shouldn't be dramatically different between the two lists...usually 50 ip 130 at bats (rookie status) or days on the active roster, although top prospects ts almost never lose eligibility NY sitting on the roster and not playing at all.

I just re read the article at Pipeline but failed to see/find their official definition.

https://www.mlb.com/news/top-100-prospects-list-mlb-pipeline-preseason-2025?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

The fact Thorpe disappeared from our top 30 pipeline prospects after one of his starts should be a safe indication he exceeded their prospect limits. I mentioned this.
 

Unless for some reason they have a different threshold for their top 100 than for their top 30 by team, he wasn’t eligible for this list. 

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, Lyle Moooton said:

The fact Thorpe disappeared from our top 30 pipeline prospects after one of his starts should be a safe indication he exceeded their prospect limits. I mentioned this.
 

 

Unless for some reason they have a different threshold for their top 100 than for their top 30 by team, he wasn’t eligible for this list. 

So basically you're saying that Sox Top 30 and MLB Pipeline use a totally different standard from Baseball America for prospect eligibility?

Why?

What was the required number of starts to lose eligibility?

Not by innings pitched?

 

https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/player/225479/

8-9 starts has never been the criteria.

He's at 44 1/3 IP...so he's still technically a rookie pitcher at the beginning of 2025.

"45 total days on an active Major League roster during the Championship Season (excluding time on the Injured List)."

 

Somehow he got...

Service Time

0.111 (2024)

 

So he should be ineligible at both MLB Pipeline and Baseball America...but for some reason that's not the case here.

Edited January 25 by caulfield12

[Lyle Moooton]

I believe Pipeline goes by service time and Baseball America goes by IP or appearances. 

Edited January 25 by Lyle Moooton

[WestEddy]

Baseball America - 

Players are eligible if they have not exceeded 130 MLB at-bats, 50 innings pitched or 30 pitching appearances. Service time does not play a role in whether players are eligible for this ranking. Players who come to the U.S. as “foreign professionals” as defined by the MLB CBA are not eligible to be ranked.

MLB - 

The list only includes players with rookie status in 2025, meaning players who debuted in '24 but did not accumulate the service time (45 days on the active roster), at-bats (130) or innings pitched (50) to graduate are eligible again this year.

[caulfield12]

https://www.mlb.com/news/best-tools-top-100-prospects-list-2025?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

Braden Montgomery OF arm and Noah Schultz slider are mentioned.

[hogan873]

On 1/25/2025 at 12:17 PM, TaylorStSox said:

The Sox receive the most prospect points and every post in this thread is negative. 

That's because the prospect points awarded to the Sox are meaningless while the points awarded to other teams are 100% accurate.

I get it, last year beat almost every ounce of optimism out of most of us.  But, I do feel better about the team looking forward.  Hopefully when some of these prospects make it and have the chance to be really good in the MLB, the team has a new owner and will actually try to keep them instead of trading them away before it's time to pay them.

[caulfield12]

18 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

That's because the prospect points awarded to the Sox are meaningless while the points awarded to other teams are 100% accurate.

I get it, last year beat almost every ounce of optimism out of most of us.  But, I do feel better about the team looking forward.  Hopefully when some of these prospects make it and have the chance to be really good in the MLB, the team has a new owner and will actually try to keep them instead of trading them away before it's time to pay them.

Part of it's still the lack of position player prospects compared to the Big 6 last time around.

Kopech was more hyped than even Schultz and certainly Smith.  And of course you had four more studs behind Michael...Giolito another #1 rhp prospect plus Cease Lopez Dunning.

Uncertainty with C.Montgomery and Thorpe tempers things as well, and then having to wait 2-3 years on Braden Montgomery.  Teel/Quero seem more like complimentary players at this point.

Just would feel a lot more optimistic with one of the Red Sox top 3 and Sasaki.  That would probably be the equivalent of the 2017-2019 massive wave of incoming prospects IMO.  Paired with "amazing" #1 pick in 2026, that just might be enough to turn the Titanic around even w/o crazy FA spending from JR.

Ofc those are all pipe/fever dreams...

Edited January 28 by caulfield12

[Y2Jimmy0]

On 1/25/2025 at 1:13 PM, caulfield12 said:

So basically you're saying that Sox Top 30 and MLB Pipeline use a totally different standard from Baseball America for prospect eligibility?

Why?

What was the required number of starts to lose eligibility?

Not by innings pitched?

 

https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/player/225479/

8-9 starts has never been the criteria.

He's at 44 1/3 IP...so he's still technically a rookie pitcher at the beginning of 2025.

"45 total days on an active Major League roster during the Championship Season (excluding time on the Injured List)."

 

Somehow he got...

Service Time

0.111 (2024)

 

So he should be ineligible at both MLB Pipeline and Baseball America...but for some reason that's not the case here.

Baseball America and MLB Pipeline use different standards. I don't agree with BA's process. It makes no sense. 

[WhiteSox2023]

4 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Baseball America and MLB Pipeline use different standards. I don't agree with BA's process. It makes no sense. 

I remember seeing their disclaimer on an article.  Why they wouldn’t simply match up with MLB rules makes zero sense.

[kitekrazy]

On 1/25/2025 at 11:17 AM, TaylorStSox said:

The Sox receive the most prospect points and every post in this thread is negative. 

Copy and paste year after year

[WhiteSox2023]

17 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

Copy and paste year after year

Well, if you go by year after year history, you would be proving the naysayers right.

[PaleAleSox]

22 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

Copy and paste year after year

The Sox have had the best system in baseball like twice in the last 30 years. 

[Chick Mercedes]

On 1/24/2025 at 7:12 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Thanks for sharing.  Crazy how it could be even better with just two different moves — Jacob Gonzalez and the Fedde trade.

Or if we had a barely acceptable scouting department and acquisitions program  before the MLB roster purge. But then again, if we had that,  we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place. Kind of sad commentary that we aren’t even higher after all this.

Edited January 29 by Chick Mercedes