24 minutes ago, ptatc said:

True. Let's see how the rest if the team goes with so much dedicated to one player.

We already saw what happened.  The Royals extended Witt last February and then the team went on to finish 86-76 with a playoff berth.

10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Yeah, I mean with the record of 10 straight World Series going to the Dodgers and Yankees, how could you deny this? 

When you have significant  more resources you can cover mistakes and have more resources throughout the organization

What the revenues show is the White Sox are missing a golden opportunity because they can't run their organization correctly. And now are relegated to asking the state for handouts.

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42 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Maybe some but there is no way you can convince me that they could compete with LA or NY.

The disparity might be less but not significantly.

Well in theory all they have to do is compete with the teams in their division (and they have HUGE advantages over them), if you get to the playoffs you at least are giving yourself a chance. 

21 minutes ago, ptatc said:

When you have significant  more resources you can cover mistakes and have more resources throughout the organization

Which is why those two teams have so many trophies. How many do they have of the last 10 since they're unstoppable? It must be like 5 for the Dodgers and 4 for the Yankees right?

I still can't understand all the money in sports teams when ticket prices are so high. I know it's TV money but all you hear about are TV cutbacks, ESPN, CNN, etc. I'll never understand. I guess most teams draw well and attendance helps but I'm told time and again by fans on here attendance doesn't matter. It's TV money.

53 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Maybe some but there is no way you can convince me that they could compete with LA or NY.

The disparity might be less but not significantly.

But you don't need to spend on that level to compete.  Teams all over baseball prove that every year.  Cheap AND stupid is the killer.

9 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Which is why those two teams have so many trophies. How many do they have of the last 10 since they're unstoppable? It must be like 5 for the Dodgers and 4 for the Yankees right?

Yet Chiefs are 5/6 Super Bowls now and everyone just lands the supposed parity of the NFL...same as hen Brady won 6 with NE.

That parity tends to be in teams 2-22 though.

Whereas in MLB, you now ha e a clearly defined Top 12...maybe the DBacks at 13 if they can afford the likes of Montgomery Bumgarner Burnes, and a bottom 17 with SD now sinking into oblivion.

Hard to compare NFL results with what is happening in the MLBs. How many Patrick Mahomes are there out there, for signing?

 

And no one thinks the White Sox should be out here spending like the Dodgers or Mets, but spending like the Twins or Royals would be a nice start.

6 hours ago, Capn12 said:

Hard to compare NFL results with what is happening in the MLBs. How many Patrick Mahomes are there out there, for signing?

 

And no one thinks the White Sox should be out here spending like the Dodgers or Mets, but spending like the Twins or Royals would be a nice start.

Sasaki=Mahomes Daniels Stroud on  rookie deals, the PPI pick for RoY while Sox are picking nowhere close to 1-2-3.

Twins would mean doubling the payroll when it's $100 million less minus Benintendi and Robert Jr.

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1 hour ago, greg775 said:

I still can't understand all the money in sports teams when ticket prices are so high. I know it's TV money but all you hear about are TV cutbacks, ESPN, CNN, etc. I'll never understand. I guess most teams draw well and attendance helps but I'm told time and again by fans on here attendance doesn't matter. It's TV money.

I don't know who has told you attendance doesn't matter, I have posted numerous times it does matter but not as much, nowhere near as much, as in the 1950's, 1960's or 1970's.

TV money still drives the train ESPECIALLY NATIONAL TV broadcast money which dwarfs any regional TV contracts.

That plus the numerous domestic and international revenue streams, from merchandise to ballpark concessions to parking fees et al amounts to record revenues for the sport.  

And free enterprise being what it is, as long as the public are willing to pay the ticket prices teams are insisting on they will continue to be "high" and that is a relative term as most teams offer discount days and so forth. 

 

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2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I don't know who has told you attendance doesn't matter, I have posted numerous times it does matter but not as much, nowhere near as much, as in the 1950's, 1960's or 1970's.

TV money still drives the train ESPECIALLY NATIONAL TV broadcast money which dwarfs any regional TV contracts.

That plus the numerous domestic and international revenue streams, from merchandise to ballpark concessions to parking fees et al amounts to record revenues for the sport.  

And free enterprise being what it is, as long as the public are willing to pay the ticket prices teams are insisting on they will continue to be "high" and that is a relative term as most teams offer discount days and so forth. 

 

I guess the public will never stop spending whatever sports teams want to charge. I'm sure it chaps the baseball owners that the secondary market can get 6,000 a ticket for a World Series game when they charge whatever they charge. Not 6000 bucks.

2 hours ago, greg775 said:

I guess the public will never stop spending whatever sports teams want to charge. I'm sure it chaps the baseball owners that the secondary market can get 6,000 a ticket for a World Series game when they charge whatever they charge. Not 6000 bucks.

They'll even sell out 20,000 seat arenas and outdraw the Men's tourney in the unique case of Caitlin Clark...people spending tens of thousands of dollars for autographed rookie cards, etc. 15,500 every home game at Carver Hawkeye vs. 2500-5000 for the men's team.

The Sky were a lot more fun that the Sox their first 25-30 games last year, too.

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i killed my post; didn't think the peeps would like me hijacking a thread with comments about wnba and its future. as far as attendance you'd think the Sox season ticket sales might be low.     peace.

Edited January 30, 20251 yr by greg775

36 minutes ago, greg775 said:

i killed my post; didn't think the peeps would like me hijacking a thread with comments about wnba and its future. as far as attendance you'd think the Sox season ticket sales might be low.     peace.

That's a given?  Down 15% at the very least...another 20-25% wouldn't be completely shocking.

The biggest question is whether A's in Sacramento and Rays in a 12,500 seat Tampa High A/Yankees' Spring Training facility outdraw the Sox this year.

Marlins and possibly Pirates competing for bottom, too.

https://sports.yahoo.com/fact-or-fiction-something-is-seriously-wrong-with-the-nba-165552428.html

Thought this was an extremely well researched and written article...as the NBA and MLB are exactly perfectly matched in average team revenues...but the distribution is completely skewed for the Top 12-15 MLB teams vs. the bottom half of the league.

 

"This is, for the most part, a separate conversation (widespread ASG complaints). The league implemented another new All-Star Game format because players stopped trying in the exhibition. They have been too busy complaining about it. But the end result is the same: The game's participants are undermining the product they are selling. If we keep telling everyone there is something wrong with the NBA, they will believe it, even if it is untrue.

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Does MLB have more or less parity than NFL NBA etc.???

 

"Over at Baseball Prospectus, Rob Mains used the Gini coefficient, a tool normally used to measure income inequality, to judge the spread in team wins last season. A higher Gini coefficient means a more unequal spread between the top and bottom, a bigger stratification between the haves and the have-nots. He found that when it came to inequality measured this way and set against all of baseball history, last year’s American League ranked in the 68th percentile and the National League in the 44th percentile. Seems well within the norms we’ve seen historically."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6092838/2025/01/29/major-league-baseball-nfl-nba-parity-analysis/

"If the two-win Carolina Panthers of 2023-24 had played 162 games with the same winning percentage, they would have had 20 fewer wins than the team with the most losses in baseball history, the 2024 Chicago White Sox (121)."

 

 

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11 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

That's a given?  Down 15% at the very least...another 20-25% wouldn't be completely shocking.

The biggest question is whether A's in Sacramento and Rays in a 12,500 seat Tampa High A/Yankees' Spring Training facility outdraw the Sox this year.

Marlins and possibly Pirates competing for bottom, too.

This is one of those years people who hate crowds could just go watch a MLB game at GRate and probably have a good time, that is, if the ushers aren't dictators. Like if the section next to you is almost empty and yours for some reason is packed and you wanna spread out. Also breeze in and out for parking compared to years when the team is actually decent.

1 hour ago, greg775 said:

This is one of those years people who hate crowds could just go watch a MLB game at GRate and probably have a good time, that is, if the ushers aren't dictators. Like if the section next to you is almost empty and yours for some reason is packed and you wanna spread out. Also breeze in and out for parking compared to years when the team is actually decent.

I went to the last Angels' game at Comiskey, this year. The lady in the ticket booth sold us the cheapest tickets in the closed upper deck, and told us to sit where we wanted. 

On 1/30/2025 at 3:31 PM, WestEddy said:

I went to the last Angels' game at Comiskey, this year. The lady in the ticket booth sold us the cheapest tickets in the closed upper deck, and told us to sit where we wanted. 

where did u sit? boxes? Were there about 1000 fans there total?

1 hour ago, greg775 said:

where did u sit? boxes? Were there about 1000 fans there total?

The last game against the Angels was  September 26, 2024. Records show that the attendance was 15,678. Why are you asking where I sat?

11 hours ago, WestEddy said:

The last game against the Angels was  September 26, 2024. Records show that the attendance was 15,678. Why are you asking where I sat?

to see if the stadium personnel were nice to the few who attended.