10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I'm assuming you are trolling because if you aren't I frankly don't know what to say.

The only way they win 81 games is if a bunch of clubs forfeit games to them.

As far as staying healthy, this dysfunctional organization can't go a week with out someone getting hurt.

They thought Rojas only had a "sprained toe" wrong again doctor...it's fractured.

A healthy lineup of Robert, Benintendi, Vargas, Drury, Vaughn and Meidroth should be decent. I'm disappointed  that Teel and Quero didn't make the team. Hopefully  they will be brought up soon.

Edited March 18, 20251 yr by WBWSF

24 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

A healthy lineup of Robert, Benintendi, Vargas, Drury, Vaughn and Meidroth should be decent. I'm disappointed  that Teel and Quero didn't make the team. Hopefully  they will be brought up soon.

If I'm an MLB GM I'm disagreeing on Benintendi Vaughn and Meidroth and feeling sorry you're reduced to relying on Drury.

10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I'm assuming you are trolling because if you aren't I frankly don't know what to say.

The only way they win 81 games is if a bunch of clubs forfeit games to them.

As far as staying healthy, this dysfunctional organization can't go a week with out someone getting hurt.

They thought Rojas only had a "sprained toe" wrong again doctor...it's fractured.

It's almost like the symptoms are the same and they were able to accurately identify it once he got proper imagining. 

48 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

It's almost like the symptoms are the same and they were able to accurately identify it once he got proper imagining. 

I know, the medical knowledge on this site is astounding. Most really should be working for the Mayo clinic.

11 minutes ago, ptatc said:

I know, the medical knowledge on this site is astounding. Most really should be working for the Mayo clinic.

Also shocking that anyone would ever question a cream of the crop franchise like the White Sox.

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Also shocking that anyone would ever question a cream of the crop franchise like the White Sox.

No problem with questioning it. Should always get secind opinions.

The issue is when they absolutely know that it was all mishandled and was wrong.

If the statement was why didn't they find the hairline fracture, thats one thing.

To demean them because they called it a sprain at first just shows they have no idea of the evaluation process and what goes into it.

Edited March 18, 20251 yr by ptatc

36 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Also shocking that anyone would ever question a cream of the crop franchise like the White Sox.

Questioning them is fine. Treating every little thing like it's unique to the White Sox and a result of their dysfunction is being willfully ignorant and lazy.

1 hour ago, PaleAleSox said:

It's almost like the symptoms are the same and they were able to accurately identify it once he got proper imagining. 

I think he's secretly wishing for a Sox player to get paralyzed so that he can gloat about how morally superior he is by assigning blame to Jerry Reinsdorf. 

Guy who runs a team poorly = evil
Guy who posts laughing emojis on injury news = good

45 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Also shocking that anyone would ever question a cream of the crop franchise like the White Sox.

It's weird how the people who want the team to immediately call for TJS when a pitcher feels elbow discomfort also mock the team for initial guesses at what might be wrong with an injured player. 

 

Edited March 18, 20251 yr by WestEddy

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I think he's secretly wishing for a Sox player to get paralyzed so that he can gloat about how morally superior he is by assigning blame to Jerry Reinsdorf. 

Guy who runs a team poorly = evil
Guy who posts laughing emojis on injury news = good

I think he is secretly wishing that the the Reinsdorf teams weren't so often wrong for injury diagnosis's publicly for their own players, almost tragically in the case of Luol Deng.

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Can you tell us how many other teams x-ray players on the field at thei time of their injuries? It's moronic to act like that's some kind of grand mistake. 

 

Can you tell us what the rest of sports clearance vs injury rate is?  It is just as "moronic" if you don't have the stats to pretend it isn't, when there has been questioning in sports around these problems.

8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I think he is secretly wishing that the the Reinsdorf teams weren't so often wrong for injury diagnosis's publicly for their own players, almost tragically in the case of Luol Deng.

Great callout.  There’s an interview that you may have seen where Deng flat out blames the Bulls for failing miserably with his injury diagnoses.  He mentioned how he contemplated suing them but decided against it since he was primarily a Bull for his entire career and didn’t want to ruin that in any way.

Edited March 18, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I think he is secretly wishing that the the Reinsdorf teams weren't so often wrong for injury diagnosis's publicly for their own players, almost tragically in the case of Luol Deng.

It would be great if they were right all the time. Unfortunately, that just isn't medicine. There is a reason its called the practice of medicine.

No one is right all the time. All physicians have had medical malpractice lawsuits.

9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Great callout.  There’s an interview that you may have seen where Deng flat out blames the Bulls for failing miserably with his injury diagnoses.  He mentioned how he contemplated suing them but decided against it since he was primarily a Bull for his entire career and didn’t want to ruin that in any way.

I'm not going down this discussion again but every player blames the medical staff for malpractice when things don't go right.

Most often they are wrong. Not always but most of the time.

They don't understand the process either. 

Again no medical professional is right all the time. This could have been one of the mistakes. If that is the only significant one, that's an impressive record.

Edited March 18, 20251 yr by ptatc

5 minutes ago, ptatc said:

It would be great if they were right all the time. Unfortunately, that just isn't medicine. There is a reason its called the practice of medicine.

No one is right all the time. All physicians have had medical malpractice lawsuits.

Sure, but for whatever reason, the JR owned teams have gotten extra attention for this specific problem.  At the very least the perception that his franchises have had this more often than others is out there.

14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I think he is secretly wishing that the the Reinsdorf teams weren't so often wrong for injury diagnosis's publicly for their own players, almost tragically in the case of Luol Deng.

When was Luol Deng on the Sox?

14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Can you tell us what the rest of sports clearance vs injury rate is?  It is just as "moronic" if you don't have the stats to pretend it isn't, when there has been questioning in sports around these problems.

I would think the people making the claims that the White Sox are so much worse than the rest of the league could provide the numbers they're relying on. I will confidently correct you and say it is not equally moronic to call out blow-hards mocking an organization for things they're making up in their heads. 

I'll back up my claims and say that zero teams x-ray players on the field. Your turn. 

15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Great callout.  There’s an interview that you may have seen where Deng flat out blames the Bulls for failing miserably with his injury diagnoses.  He mentioned how he contemplated suing them but decided against it since he was primarily a Bull for his entire career and didn’t want to ruin that in any way.

Great brown-nosing. Why do I care about the Bulls? 

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I would think the people making the claims that the White Sox are so much worse than the rest of the league could provide the numbers they're relying on. I will confidently correct you and say it is not equally moronic to call out blow-hards mocking an organization for things they're making up in their heads. 

I'll back up my claims and say that zero teams x-ray players on the field. Your turn. 

Yet you are relying on the same underlying data.  Weird how you justify it one way, but not the other.  But yes, gaslight everyone for years who has been questioning underlying injury and diagnosing problems in both the Bulls and the White Sox, because it is much more than just this one dude.  Tell Luol Deng he is just making it up.  Please.

8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Yet you are relying on the same underlying data.  Weird how you justify it one way, but not the other.  But yes, gaslight everyone for years who has been questioning underlying injury and diagnosing problems in both the Bulls and the White Sox, because it is much more than just this one dude.  Tell Luol Deng he is just making it up.  Please.

I was asking a question. And yeah, the next time I see Luol Deng on the el, I'll tell him he was making "it" up. L(u)oL. 

Please tell me what "underlying data" I'm relying on. The fact that the team x-rayed his foot and found the problem tells me they know way more about player health than random posters on a Sox board. Can you direct me to the topic string where all the people who call for TJS immediately after a pitcher has elbow pain are mocked for their terrible record of dealing with player injuries?

30 minutes ago, ptatc said:

I'm not going down this discussion again but every player blames the medical staff for malpractice when things don't go right.

Did Deng win the malpractice lawsuit?

I never said he sued them.  Deng said his options were to sue and likely retire from basketball or not sue and continue to play basketball.  He wanted to keep playing.

Listen to it for yourself…

 

Edited March 18, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I was asking a question. And yeah, the next time I see Luol Deng on the el, I'll tell him he was making "it" up. L(u)oL. 

Please tell me what "underlying data" I'm relying on. The fact that the team x-rayed his foot and found the problem tells me they know way more about player health than random posters on a Sox board. Can you direct me to the topic string where all the people who call for TJS immediately after a pitcher has elbow pain are mocked for their terrible record of dealing with player injuries?

What an impressive standard.  They are smarter than a message board.  Wow.  So impressive.  Such a great contribution.

19 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Great brown-nosing. Why do I care about the Bulls? 

That’s epic, coming from the master of all Sox/Getz ball washers.  I remembered Deng blaming the Bulls medical team and just posted the video.

Perhaps the same deadbeat owner of two losing franchises is bad at picking GMs, who in turn are bad at hiring the right people in their respective organizations?

8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I never said he sued them.  Deng said his options were to sue and likely retire from basketball or not sue and continue to play basketball.

Listen to it for yourself…

 

Sorry, didn't see the part at the end. I know about the situation. Had friends in the NBA at the time. 

What players and the general public don't understand is that you can follow all established protocols and CPRs and still be wrong on occasion. The protocols are based on the average likely outcomes and interventions. This is why you should always have second opinions.

If he really had a case he would have sued. There are lawsuits in every league every year. Players don't get blackballed from leagues for medical lawsuits. 

Either way the point is no one is right all the time. If this is only significant one, they were doing well.

7 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Sorry, didn't see the part at the end. I know about the situation. Had friends in the NBA at the time. 

What players and the general public don't understand is that you can follow all established protocols and CPRs and still be wrong on occasion. The protocols are based on the average likely outcomes and interventions. This is why you should always have second opinions.

If he really had a case he would have sued. There are lawsuits in every league every year. Players don't get blackballed from leagues for medical lawsuits. 

Either way the point is no one is right all the time. If this is only significant one, they were doing well.

It happened a few times/injuries with Deng though, not just the meningitis diagnosis.  How often does it have to happen before it is a running theme due to failure, rather than a one off incident?

Edited March 18, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023