March 20, 2025Mar 20 2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: From no restrictions in ST, to not ready for opening day, to… ??? Does he even pitch this year? The Sox are so very bad at injury reporting and updates. Hard to blame the team much for off season injury news. That's usually coming from the players camp given.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: All I'll say is given the Sox history with pitchers over the past few years this seemed inevitable as Thanos would say. As someone pointed out the Sox first reported he would be ready to go for spring training, then it would be later in the spring to now this. Typical White Sox. It would be better I think if they just didn't say anything or if they felt they had to with injuries let the doctors actually speak to the press not the field manager or the general manager or the clubhouse attendant 😆 or anybody else who really don't know s%*#. Just have the TJS or whatever surgery is needed right now, stop dicking around and we'll see you next year (maybe...) 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Exactly. Stop screwing around with these guys 'hoping" rest and rehab will solve the issue. History shows at least with the Sox (hello Rodon, Dunning, Martin et al) that doesn't seem to be working out. Surgery Is the players call. A lot to blame the Sox for, and thorpe stinks anyway, but this isnt one of them.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 33 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Surgery Is the players call. A lot to blame the Sox for, and thorpe stinks anyway, but this isnt one of them. Is it totally? Serious question...doesn't the team which is paying them have any say?
March 20, 2025Mar 20 5 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Is it totally? Serious question...doesn't the team which is paying them have any say? Yes, it's totally the players call.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yes, it's totally the players call. I'm sorry I don't agree.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/03/20/drew-thorpe-suffers-another-setback-in-return-from-elbow-injury Six White Sox pitchers (and counting...) with injury issues. Not that it matters anything for this season which is already flushed down the toilet but moving forward it could come into play.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 3 hours ago, ptatc said: That would be odd. The previous surgery was for bone spurs. This has no correlation to joint laxity or UCL issues. Unless there was something else not reported. Not like the guy from Houston who hhad a UCL reconstruction and continues to have issues there. McCullers?
March 20, 2025Mar 20 17 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I'm sorry I don't agree. You be wrong. It's always the players call. They can take the advice of the team's medcial staff. Get a second opinion and take their advice. Or simply do what they want. No one can force the decision upon them.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 53 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Nope. It always kinda felt like a salary dump. A steaming pile of dump.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 15 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/03/20/drew-thorpe-suffers-another-setback-in-return-from-elbow-injury Six White Sox pitchers (and counting...) with injury issues. Not that it matters anything for this season which is already flushed down the toilet but moving forward it could come into play. Do you blame the actual injuries on the medical staff? Or is it the pitching coaches and their philosophy? Or is it the strength and conditioning group? Or the players off season training?
March 20, 2025Mar 20 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: Do you blame the actual injuries on the medical staff? Or is it the pitching coaches and their philosophy? Or is it the strength and conditioning group? Or the players off season training? Or the owner, don’t forget
March 20, 2025Mar 20 18 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/03/20/drew-thorpe-suffers-another-setback-in-return-from-elbow-injury Six White Sox pitchers (and counting...) with injury issues. Not that it matters anything for this season which is already flushed down the toilet but moving forward it could come into play. And what’s the number for every other team? I would assume right around there.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 8 minutes ago, fathom said: Or the owner, don’t forget Probably why Ishbia wants to keep his head down these next two years...except for enthusiastic comments about the milkshakes.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 9 minutes ago, fathom said: Or the owner, don’t forget Yes, his karma causes injuries as well. How could I forget.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 40 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I'm sorry I don't agree. You ask me a question. I tell you the factual answer. You then disagree. Weird stuff.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 Can't really say "TOTALLY." We're arguing semantics here. Teams can't ever unilaterally force surgeries on their so called top prospects and highest paid players. Of course the player and their family will make the final decision...but the team doctors and agent will both be influential throughout the process, as well as independently consulted second and third opinions. Edited March 20, 2025Mar 20 by caulfield12
March 20, 2025Mar 20 34 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: You ask me a question. I tell you the factual answer. You then disagree. Weird stuff. I think an employer who is paying a good salary should have some say since it impacts the team and organization. I don't see why that should be considered outlandish. Medicine is not an exact science to be sure however as has been discussed for the past several years the way the Sox are handling things, something is amiss. Not just by fans but by the media and others. Especially when they trot out G.M.'s who give misleading information (granted it may be unintentional but the damage done is just as much). Maybe consulting a witch doctor or throwing darts at a board to figure out what is wrong could give better results (LOL) 😆 Edited March 20, 2025Mar 20 by Lip Man 1
March 20, 2025Mar 20 7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Can't really say "TOTALLY." We're arguing semantics here. Teams can't ever unilaterally force surgeries on their so called top prospects and highest paid players. Of course the player and their family will make the final decision...but the team doctors and agent will both be influential throughout the process, as well as independently consulted second and third opinions. Of course they have influence. Everyone should take advice. The players aren't phyicians. But it is ultimately their decision. Just like the player and the agent. The player has the ultimate decision on signing a contract. It's advisable to listen to the agent and allow them to negotiate. However it's totally the players decisions.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 7 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I think an employer who is paying a good salary should have some say since it impacts the team and organization. I don't see why that should be considered outlandish. Medicine is not an exact science to be sure however as has been discussed for the past several years the way the Sox are handling things, something is amiss. Not just by fans but by the media and others. Especially when they trot out G.M.'s who give misleading information (granted it may be unintentional but the damage done is just as much). Maybe consulting a witch doctor or throwing darts at a board to figure out what is wrong could give better results (LOL) 😆 The fact that you don't inderstand the legal process of the medical field tells everything about your views on the medical decision process and the players Makes no difference what you think the process should be. It's the law. For everyone. An employer can't tell an employee where or how to get medical intervention. It's always their choice. Some have agreement with medical institutions so it may be cheaper. But they can't tell them what to do.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 The amount of eye rolls I had reading some peoples medical opinions on here that know absolutely zero...goodness gracious.
March 20, 2025Mar 20 For those interested, every Tommy John since well...Tommy John: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1gQujXQQGOVNaiuwSN680Hq-FDVsCwvN-3AazykOBON0/htmlview?pli=1 Edited March 20, 2025Mar 20 by mac9001
March 20, 2025Mar 20 7 minutes ago, mac9001 said: For those interested, every Tommy John since well...Tommy John: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1gQujXQQGOVNaiuwSN680Hq-FDVsCwvN-3AazykOBON0/htmlview?pli=1 Wow, thats digging deep. Thanks.
March 21, 2025Mar 21 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: I'm sorry I don't agree. Do you also disagree with workers comp? The guy got injured at his job and has protections as an American citizen. God help you if your employer forces you into a potentially dangerous surgery so you can get back to work quicker. Edited March 21, 2025Mar 21 by nrockway
March 21, 2025Mar 21 23 minutes ago, nrockway said: Do you also disagree with workers comp? The guy got injured at his job and has protections as an American citizen. God help you if your employer forces you into a potentially dangerous surgery so you can get back to work quicker. Those in their 40s and above grew up around a pretty autocratic Herm Schneider Sox regime where his word was basically next to God's. Thankfully, times have progressed and the system is much more democratized and player/family-centric.
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