Fielder Jones Posted Monday at 05:19 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:19 PM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted Monday at 05:31 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:31 PM 9.7, 7.5, 11.2, 16.6, 13.4. Funny thing is he's tried to fix his LA problem but it doesn't really matter as he's just not powerful enough. Looking at his HR/FB% this is a guy that just doesn't have enough raw power to make it work. Other than this year, his expected wOBAs are about in line with his actual. He's a mediocre hitter playing a bad 1B from the wrong side of a platoon. There's just not much there. He'd have to significantly improve his hitting just to become a league average 1B. Not happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted Monday at 05:37 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:37 PM 9 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: 9.7, 7.5, 11.2, 16.6, 13.4. Funny thing is he's tried to fix his LA problem but it doesn't really matter as he's just not powerful enough. Looking at his HR/FB% this is a guy that just doesn't have enough raw power to make it work. Other than this year, his expected wOBAs are about in line with his actual. He's a mediocre hitter playing a bad 1B from the wrong side of a platoon. There's just not much there. He'd have to significantly improve his hitting just to become a league average 1B. Not happening. On one hand, you're almost certainly right. On the other... Yeah, Sheets is a big lefty. But still, leaving the White Sox is a massive morale boost (let alone all the perks that come with joining another org). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted Monday at 06:02 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:02 PM 29 minutes ago, Quin said: On one hand, you're almost certainly right. On the other... Yeah, Sheets is a big lefty. But still, leaving the White Sox is a massive morale boost (let alone all the perks that come with joining another org). Eh. He's gone on heaters like this with the Sox before. He's also being well protected as a platoon bat, and his underlying stats aren't all that different than his time with the Sox. He's just hitting more line drives and less fly balls right now. I'm guessing he'll be back to the Gavin we all know by the all star break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted Monday at 06:12 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:12 PM 23 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Weak bat, weak fielder, weak runner. What he makes this year will be his highest salary ever. Hell get red hot for a a few weeks eventually but he can't figure out how to do it for longer. He's minor league fodder next year. Send him down. He's getting a free pass playing so much while producing so bad. Vaughn needs to regroup in the DSL and get back in the groove hitting wise. I surmise that he is his own worst enemy which explains his annual regression. Let the kids have a try. I would put him on minimum wage to maintain his perspective. Donate the excess to Trump's workout fundme . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted Monday at 06:24 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:24 PM 8 minutes ago, pcq said: Vaughn needs to regroup in the DSL and get back in the groove hitting wise. I surmise that he is his own worst enemy which explains his annual regression. Let the kids have a try. I would put him on minimum wage to maintain his perspective. Donate the excess to Trump's workout fundme . His salary is MLB guaranteed no matter where he plays this year but keeping him batting cleanup is just overkill with coddling players. It's no great shame to being sent down . You need to be held accountable for your lack of production. I know they hate bringing up players who aren't already on the 40 but Drury might be coming back in a couple of weeks and Rojas too. Benintendi could be back in a few days. There's going to be plenty of guys who can play 1st base . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Monday at 06:58 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:58 PM 38 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: His salary is MLB guaranteed no matter where he plays this year but keeping him batting cleanup is just overkill with coddling players. It's no great shame to being sent down . You need to be held accountable for your lack of production. I know they hate bringing up players who aren't already on the 40 but Drury might be coming back in a couple of weeks and Rojas too. Benintendi could be back in a few days. There's going to be plenty of guys who can play 1st base . Maybe Drury's the guy who makes Vaughn expendable. Traditionally, Vaughn doesn't really heat up until June. That's asking a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted Monday at 07:29 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:29 PM Small, unathletic, right handed. The vast majority of humans don't have the physical ability to hit major league pitching. The less athletic someone is overall, in general the lower the chances they can do it. In a world where it's so, so difficult to predict how a college hitter will do against MLB pitching, it just doesn't make sense to dump so many resources into a guy who completely lacks both size and athleticism. I've mentioned this before but I saw him play live in Myrtle Beach when he was in A ball. They lined up for the national anthem about 80 feet from me. He was the shortest player on the team. He did hit a couple balls hard that night but also didn't look at ease in the box. Swung and missed a few times. I was apprehensive about him after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted Monday at 09:11 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:11 PM If the rumors are true about Vaughn not being receptive to advanced data and not wanting to change his approach, then there's no hope for him and I put little blame on Sox player development for his failures. He's probably the biggest disappointment out of the rebuild for me, because at least Moncada and Eloy showed some promise before injuries crushed that. Vaughn has been a sustained wet fart since he came up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Monday at 09:15 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:15 PM (edited) 11 minutes ago, almagest said: If the rumors are true about Vaughn not being receptive to advanced data and not wanting to change his approach, then there's no hope for him and I put little blame on Sox player development for his failures. He's probably the biggest disappointment out of the rebuild for me, because at least Moncada and Eloy showed some promise before injuries crushed that. Vaughn has been a sustained wet fart since he came up. You have to pick up that on the evaluation/scouting side first...for example, Burger's tenacity and will to not give up. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/general/jake-burger-s-all-or-nothing-approach-should-start-to-pay-off/ar-AA1CQnM6?ocid=BingNewsSerp At any rate, Elko couldn't be more the opposite physically...just am conditioned to expect similar big league results in terms of overall impact. Edited Monday at 09:17 PM by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Monday at 09:17 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:17 PM 8 minutes ago, almagest said: If the rumors are true about Vaughn not being receptive to advanced data and not wanting to change his approach, then there's no hope for him and I put little blame on Sox player development for his failures. He's probably the biggest disappointment out of the rebuild for me, because at least Moncada and Eloy showed some promise before injuries crushed that. Vaughn has been a sustained wet fart since he came up. Vaughn hit a bit over average in 2022, then the league adjusted, and he's a league average bat, which is a lot less than what he needs to be at 1B. Yeah, he doesn't seem obsessed with monitoring his approach and results by devouring data about his hit tool. Vaughn seemed like the kind of pick who "at least he'll hit". By the time he gets to his one hot month of the season, it's way too late for him to make any positive contribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted Monday at 09:19 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:19 PM 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: You have to pick up that on the evaluation/scouting side first...for example, Burger's tenacity and will to not give up. At any rate, Elko couldn't be more the opposite physically...just am conditioned to expect similar big league results in terms of overall impact. Drafting a first baseman that high was always questionable, but industry consensus was that Vaughn was absolutely going to hit in the majors. You're not wrong, though - you pay your scouts and draft team to avoid super costly issues like these. Missing on a top 5 overall pick is an enormous failure, especially when some pretty good players were taken after him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted Monday at 09:22 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:22 PM 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Vaughn hit a bit over average in 2022, then the league adjusted, and he's a league average bat, which is a lot less than what he needs to be at 1B. Yeah, he doesn't seem obsessed with monitoring his approach and results by devouring data about his hit tool. Vaughn seemed like the kind of pick who "at least he'll hit". By the time he gets to his one hot month of the season, it's way too late for him to make any positive contribution. League average offense is bad for a first baseman for sure. He's also not a good defender there (and a disaster in LF), so he should probably be a DH, where his offense profiles even worse. He'd need to be about .100 OPS points higher over his career average to be worth playing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Monday at 09:23 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:23 PM 11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: You have to pick up that on the evaluation/scouting side first...for example, Burger's tenacity and will to not give up. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/general/jake-burger-s-all-or-nothing-approach-should-start-to-pay-off/ar-AA1CQnM6?ocid=BingNewsSerp At any rate, Elko couldn't be more the opposite physically...just am conditioned to expect similar big league results in terms of overall impact. At the end of the day, the Sox missed on pretty much every single non-pitching draft pick in the last decade. While the blame can somehow point to scouts as much as convenient, but at some point, the dev has to pick up something. We have had all kinds of consensus first round picks and top prospects, and they all have failed. There are like no wins here, which should be a red flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted Monday at 10:49 PM Share Posted Monday at 10:49 PM 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: His salary is MLB guaranteed no matter where he plays this year but keeping him batting cleanup is just overkill with coddling players. It's no great shame to being sent down . You need to be held accountable for your lack of production. I know they hate bringing up players who aren't already on the 40 but Drury might be coming back in a couple of weeks and Rojas too. Benintendi could be back in a few days. There's going to be plenty of guys who can play 1st base No idea they still got paid if they suck. No wonder JR hates baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Monday at 11:22 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:22 PM 2 hours ago, almagest said: Drafting a first baseman that high was always questionable, but industry consensus was that Vaughn was absolutely going to hit in the majors. You're not wrong, though - you pay your scouts and draft team to avoid super costly issues like these. Missing on a top 5 overall pick is an enormous failure, especially when some pretty good players were taken after him. And it's noteworthy here that Torkelson has finally made needed adjustments and seems to be blossoming as a big league hitter...at least comparatively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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