July 23, 2025Jul 23 5 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said: Because JR isn't going to pay 20 million for a 200 hitter when the whole budget is likely to be at or south of 100m. South of $50 million if they also move Benintendi...
July 23, 2025Jul 23 2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: I think he means pick up the option now, still trade him but also include to pay down the salary for next year so a team gets him cheap for rest of this year, cheap in 2026, and a team option for 2027. Jerry would just about s%*# himself at the thought of including even more money than 2025 salary to move Robert. Not happening. Edited July 23, 2025Jul 23 by WhiteSox2023
July 23, 2025Jul 23 Here's an interesting question (to me). Say Robert was hitting .272 with all other stats the same. Would he be valued so much that a team would trade for him and pay the whole salary? If you say yes then why is BA considered an archaic stat? Why are teams scared of his .206 if BA means so little to the advanced stat people?
July 23, 2025Jul 23 15 minutes ago, greg775 said: Here's an interesting question (to me). Say Robert was hitting .272 with all other stats the same. Would he be valued so much that a team would trade for him and pay the whole salary? If you say yes then why is BA considered an archaic stat? Why are teams scared of his .206 if BA means so little to the advanced stat people? Because it’s not just his batting average. It’s also his poor OBP (.292), SLG (.344), and mediocre WAR (0.6). Also, if he was hitting .272 rather than .206 right now, his other stats would likely be improved as well. Edited July 23, 2025Jul 23 by WhiteSox2023
July 23, 2025Jul 23 9 hours ago, caulfield12 said: South of $50 million if they also move Benintendi... Unless someone hires john Schriffen as the GM and partial owner, no one is going to want Benintendi.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 46 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Unless someone hires john Schriffen as the GM and partial owner, no one is going to want Benintendi. Passing just raised the $36 million he's still owed and how much the Sox would have to eat to dump it. Not happening without Ishbia.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Passing just raised the $36 million he's still owed and how much the Sox would have to eat to dump it. Not happening without Ishbia. He’s a 31 year old corner outfielder with a .736 OPS and declining defense. He’s at a 0.6 bWAR. I agree with Dick Allen. I doubt any team would want Benintendi no matter how much money the Sox would potentially eat. Edited July 23, 2025Jul 23 by WhiteSox2023
July 23, 2025Jul 23 Trading Benintendi for nothing and trading him with cash for next to nothing give the Sox the same result. They're not going to use the money saved by trading him on anything in 2026, so why bother freeing up the salary? Unless they send cash to a team desperate and dumb enough to give up something interesting, Benintendi will be the "veteran presence" guy until his contract is done.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 9 minutes ago, hogan873 said: Trading Benintendi for nothing and trading him with cash for next to nothing give the Sox the same result. They're not going to use the money saved by trading him on anything in 2026, so why bother freeing up the salary? Unless they send cash to a team desperate and dumb enough to give up something interesting, Benintendi will be the "veteran presence" guy until his contract is done. There is the roster spot and playing time. Losing a DH from the 26-man does free up space for a 3rd catcher to get Teel and Quero in the lineup every day.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: There is the roster spot and playing time. Losing a DH from the 26-man does free up space for a 3rd catcher to get Teel and Quero in the lineup every day. Yeah, I see that. And that does make sense, which leads me to believe the Sox won't do it. I hope I'm wrong.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 10 hours ago, caulfield12 said: South of $50 million if they also move Benintendi... If they move both Benny and Robert, they are within a sneeze of being able to be to the literal minimum. Civale appears he might have an arb offer left. Wilson also hits arb. Perez has a mutual option. They show Tauchman as a FA, but also 4 years and change worth of service, so maybe there is a clause in his deal that they can't offer arb? Altavilla and Alexander have similar looks. Past that according to Sportrac, everyone else is pre-arb or a FA. But the Sox are apparently obligated to literally no one for 2026 past Benny.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If they move both Benny and Robert, they are within a sneeze of being able to be to the literal minimum. Civale appears he might have an arb offer left. Wilson also hits arb. Perez has a mutual option. They show Tauchman as a FA, but also 4 years and change worth of service, so maybe there is a clause in his deal that they can't offer arb? Altavilla and Alexander have similar looks. Past that according to Sportrac, everyone else is pre-arb or a FA. But the Sox are apparently obligated to literally no one for 2026 past Benny. I believe Tauchman will be a free agent after the season, just as Flexen was last year. Returning from a yearlong stint in a foreign league grants a waiver of some sort. Civale will be a free agent.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If they move both Benny and Robert, they are within a sneeze of being able to be to the literal minimum. Civale appears he might have an arb offer left. Wilson also hits arb. Perez has a mutual option. They show Tauchman as a FA, but also 4 years and change worth of service, so maybe there is a clause in his deal that they can't offer arb? Altavilla and Alexander have similar looks. Past that according to Sportrac, everyone else is pre-arb or a FA. But the Sox are apparently obligated to literally no one for 2026 past Benny. Can the Sox control Robert for 2026 & 2027 for $ 20 million per year? Your post the other day about the team's payroll and TV income has me thinking of the possibility of keeping Robert this season. A Spring trade could be a different story based on his production & health for the rest of 2025
July 23, 2025Jul 23 20 minutes ago, Falstaff said: Can the Sox control Robert for 2026 & 2027 for $ 20 million per year? Your post the other day about the team's payroll and TV income has me thinking of the possibility of keeping Robert this season. A Spring trade could be a different story based on his production & health for the rest of 2025 They technically control both of those seasons with options, if they so desire.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 12 minutes ago, Falstaff said: Can the Sox control Robert for 2026 & 2027 for $ 20 million per year? Your post the other day about the team's payroll and TV income has me thinking of the possibility of keeping Robert this season. A Spring trade could be a different story based on his production & health for the rest of 2025 I don't think that holding onto Robert for a spring trade expands his value much. He's still fragile and subject to season long slumps. Robert looked good this last spring training, then went into a months-long slump that he may still not be out of. I just think the Sox have been burned by him too many times and are ready to move on.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 52 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If they move both Benny and Robert, they are within a sneeze of being able to be to the literal minimum. Civale appears he might have an arb offer left. Wilson also hits arb. Perez has a mutual option. They show Tauchman as a FA, but also 4 years and change worth of service, so maybe there is a clause in his deal that they can't offer arb? Altavilla and Alexander have similar looks. Past that according to Sportrac, everyone else is pre-arb or a FA. But the Sox are apparently obligated to literally no one for 2026 past Benny. They don't owe Hendriks any more? Perez would be a shocker at his age unless he really shows something the second half and takes on a quasi coaching role. Wilson and Altavilla likely traded. Civale and Clevinger likely gone too...however/whatever. Obviously Rojas is out. No idea about Slater and especially Taylor, as they don't seem to want to give Fletcher another shot. Need to do much better than guys like Robertson/Dru Baker in the OF starting next year. Maybe Tauchman returns in FA for RF.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 40 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I believe Tauchman will be a free agent after the season, just as Flexen was last year. Returning from a yearlong stint in a foreign league grants a waiver of some sort. Civale will be a free agent. Both Baseball Reference and Fangraphs show Tauchman being a free agent after the 2026 season. Is there a different site showing otherwise? I didn’t even realize there was a such a loophole, but I do recall we all thought Flexen would have an extra year of control as well but ultimately didn’t. Just wasn’t sure the reason.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Both Baseball Reference and Fangraphs show Tauchman being a free agent after the 2026 season. Is there a different site showing otherwise? I didn’t even realize there was a such a loophole, but I do recall we all thought Flexen would have an extra year of control as well but ultimately didn’t. Just wasn’t sure the reason. Mike-Tauchman - Pinstripes Nation Service Time (01/2025): 4.143 • Arb Eligible: 2026 • Free Agent: 2027 Agents: Meister Sports Management Full Name: Michael Robert … White Sox contract with Mike Tauchman. $1.950 million salary.$250,000 in relocation bonus if traded .$1 mil incentives also built in. — Bruce Levine (@MLBBruceLevine) December 10, 2024 Seven year veteran with that broken by 2022 KBO stint. Edited July 23, 2025Jul 23 by caulfield12
July 23, 2025Jul 23 11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Both Baseball Reference and Fangraphs show Tauchman being a free agent after the 2026 season. Is there a different site showing otherwise? I didn’t even realize there was a such a loophole, but I do recall we all thought Flexen would have an extra year of control as well but ultimately didn’t. Just wasn’t sure the reason. There's a rule that players over 25 who have played in foreign professional leagues for a certain amount of time aren't subject to the 6 years of control. I can't find a specific paragraph that spells out the rule, just references to it in other stories.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Both Baseball Reference and Fangraphs show Tauchman being a free agent after the 2026 season. Is there a different site showing otherwise? I didn’t even realize there was a such a loophole, but I do recall we all thought Flexen would have an extra year of control as well but ultimately didn’t. Just wasn’t sure the reason. Yep. Also, not that they are a very reliable source but earlier this week Mully and Haugh on The Score are under the same impression and discussed bringing back Tauchman as a veteran presence for next year as opposed to trading him at the deadline.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 14 minutes ago, WestEddy said: There's a rule that players over 25 who have played in foreign professional leagues for a certain amount of time aren't subject to the 6 years of control. I can't find a specific paragraph that spells out the rule, just references to it in other stories. Google AI says this. Not sure if this is what you are referring to… “It's worth noting that some foreign professionals are exempt from the international bonus pool rules if they meet specific criteria, such as being at least 25 years old and having played professionally in a foreign league recognized by MLB for a minimum of six seasons.” Edited July 23, 2025Jul 23 by WhiteSox2023
July 23, 2025Jul 23 12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep. Also, not that they are a very reliable source but earlier this week Mully and Haugh on The Score are under the same impression and discussed bringing back Tauchman as a veteran presence for next year as opposed to trading him at the deadline. JR really counting his pennies here. "$250,000 in relocation bonus if traded $100k incentives also built in"...still owed about $650,000 for the last two months of the season, plus the possible incentive match. Edited July 23, 2025Jul 23 by caulfield12
July 23, 2025Jul 23 25 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Both Baseball Reference and Fangraphs show Tauchman being a free agent after the 2026 season. Is there a different site showing otherwise? I didn’t even realize there was a such a loophole, but I do recall we all thought Flexen would have an extra year of control as well but ultimately didn’t. Just wasn’t sure the reason. Sportrac is what I went off of looking for future contract obligations. I have no idea who is the most accurate or dependable.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 19 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Google AI says this. Not sure if this is what you are referring to… “It's worth noting that some foreign professionals are exempt from the international bonus pool rules if they meet specific criteria, such as being at least 25 years old and having played professionally in a foreign league recognized by MLB for a minimum of six seasons.” I wonder if this also means they count interntional service time after age 25. For example if you play 4 years of MLB and 2 years in Japan, that equals 6 seasons, and you now are past arb and a free agent.
July 23, 2025Jul 23 The Cubs board also thought Tauchman had two more arbitration years remaining as of August 2, 2024… https://northsidebaseball.com/news-rumors/chicago-cubs/mike-tauchman-and-the-2025-chicago-cubs-r1013/That said, of course, he's also soon to turn 34 years old, and though he has two more years of team control, the Cubs have to decide this winter whether to tender him a contract to retain him.
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