southsider2k5 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 5 minutes ago, Quin said: I always love when people are like "I'll take one Bartolo Colon home run" vs. "Alberto Pujols joining the 700 club during a magical final season with the Cardinals." f*** Frank Thomas, I need to see my starting pitcher pull a hamstring running to first on a dribbler! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: f*** Frank Thomas, I need to see my starting pitcher pull a hamstring running to first on a dribbler! Think about how magical the strategy behind Mark Buehrle's home run was. It'd be worth never having Paulie in a Sox uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 10 hours ago, ron883 said: Nobody wants to see pitchers hit. and the MLB Players Union will never agree to it in a million years. No way in hell they'd agree to jettison 30 starting lineup positions (DH). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Knowing someone is going to fail 90% of the time isn't "strategy". It's masochistic. Did you like the excitement of Martin Maldonado get his monthly hit too? Of course it is. Maybe you pinch hit for the starting pitcher who’s having a great game on the mound. Maybe a guy like Michael Lorenzen is a more valuable player than he is otherwise. I don’t have any memory of a DHless American League, but interleague actually used to be fun. Standardization isn’t fun, it’s boring. Might as well have all teams play indoors with the same dimension field. On Maldonado, this is how you get the “golden at bat”. Slippery slope. 2 hours ago, Quin said: I always love when people are like "I'll take one Bartolo Colon home run" vs. "Albert Pujols joining the 700 club during a magical final season with the Cardinals." I mean, yeah, if you can’t play 50% of the game anymore, maybe it’s time to retire. Extending careers is the best logic for the DH, but that’s not why they do it. 700 is a pretty arbitrary figure anyway. Do you think differently about Pujols if he only hits, I dunno, 614 home runs? The tail end of his career was pretty bad. It’s Pete Rose logic. The guy is the leader in hits despite being really bad for the last 5 or so seasons of his careers. Who cares about a contrived record. Albert probably could’ve played the field anyway that last season, his bat was actually good, but he wasn’t beating out Goldschmidt. Why should a dinosaur get an opportunity over a young player who can actually play 100% of the game? 10 hours ago, ron883 said: big brain logic! I know it’s the internet, but sometimes a joke is still pretty obvious. The undertone of the joke was that if you like watching hits, instituting the DH is much less impactful than small ball. Veeck thought home runs were pretty boring relative to small ball, so he put in the famous SoxPark pinwheel fireworks. Swinging for the fences or throwing 100mph is the appropriate strategy to win baseball games; but it isn’t more exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 minute ago, nrockway said: Of course it is. Maybe you pinch hit for the starting pitcher who’s having a great game on the mound. Maybe a guy like Michael Lorenzen is a more valuable player than he is otherwise. I don’t have any memory of a DHless American League, but interleague actually used to be fun. Standardization isn’t fun, it’s boring. Might as well have all teams play indoors with the same dimension field. On Maldonado, this is how you get the “golden at bat”. Slippery slope. I mean, yeah, if you can’t play 50% of the game anymore, maybe it’s time to retire. Extending careers is the best logic for the DH, but that’s not why they do it. 700 is a pretty arbitrary figure anyway. Do you think differently about Pujols if he only hits, I dunno, 614 home runs? The tail end of his career was pretty bad. It’s Pete Rose logic. The guy is the leader in hits despite being really bad for the last 5 or so seasons of his careers. Who cares about a contrived record. Albert probably could’ve played the field anyway that last season, his bat was actually good, but he wasn’t beating out Goldschmidt. Why should a dinosaur get an opportunity over a young player who can actually play 100% of the game? I know it’s the internet, but sometimes a joke is still pretty obvious. The undertone of the joke was that if you like watching hits, instituting the DH is much less impactful than small ball. Veeck thought home runs were pretty boring relative to small ball, so he put in the famous SoxPark pinwheel fireworks. Swinging for the fences or throwing 100mph is the appropriate strategy to win baseball games; but it isn’t more exciting. See, my definition of boring would be knowing that something was going to end in failure almost every single time, yet still pretending to be exited about it because once years ago, someone did something positive. It would be like having an audience for people buying lottery tickets as a spectator sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: f*** Frank Thomas, I need to see my starting pitcher pull a hamstring running to first on a dribbler! It’s not f*** Frank Thomas, if its f*** anybody, it’s f*** Dan Pasqua (who Frank replaced at 1b anyway), f*** Wil Cordero and his 6 career WAR. Frank played more at 1b than people remember. Maybe Konerko doesn’t join the team ever, which would be kinda sad. Small price to pay. anyway, this thread isn’t about the DH, but it is about making baseball into a neat little product to sell to non-baseball fans who will never like the sport anyway outside of highlights they see on TikTok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: See, my definition of boring would be knowing that something was going to end in failure almost every single time, yet still pretending to be exited about it because once years ago, someone did something positive. It would be like having an audience for people buying lottery tickets as a spectator sport. A baseball at bat usually ends in failure. That’s how it works. Basketball is more fun in this regard. Soccer is I guess also very boring. You’re putting words in my mouth too. Edited August 19 by nrockway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 minute ago, nrockway said: A baseball at bat usually ends in failure. That’s how it works. Basketball is more fun in this regard. Soccer is I guess also very boring. You’re putting words in my mouth too. And pitcher ABs end in failure at MUCH higher rate than a DH does. And yes, when you talk about pitchers hitting, that is quite literally the job of the DH. If pitchers hit, there is no DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 3 minutes ago, nrockway said: It’s not f*** Frank Thomas, if its f*** anybody, it’s f*** Dan Pasqua (who Frank replaced at 1b anyway), f*** Wil Cordero and his 6 career WAR. Frank played more at 1b than people remember. Maybe Konerko doesn’t join the team ever, which would be kinda sad. Small price to pay. anyway, this thread isn’t about the DH, but it is about making baseball into a neat little product to sell to non-baseball fans who will never like the sport anyway outside of highlights they see on TikTok Small price to pay 😆 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 This is better. AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Toronto, Phillies North: White Sox, Brewers, Twins, Tigers South: Rangers, Rays, Nashville, Royals West: Mariners, Angels, As, Rockies NL East: Mets, Nationals, Orioles, Charlotte North: Cubs, Pirates, Guardians, Reds West: Dodgers, Giants, Diamondbacks, Padres South: Cardinals, Braves, Miami, Houston This does SEC definitions of 'south' If you want to do east/west, I'd do EAST North Atlantic: Red Sox Yankees Mets Phillies Mid Atlantic Orioles Nationals Pittsburgh Nashville South East Braves Marlins Rays Charlotte NorthWest Toronto Detroit Reds Guardians Nearly all of those teams save nashville are Eastern Time Zone WEST Great Lakes Milwaukee Chicago Cubs Chicago White Sox Minnesota Twins South St Louis Kansas City Houston Dallas Pacific Seattle San Francisco Los Angeles A Los Angeles D Southwest Padres Rockies Diamondbacks As Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 And for the record, this is Barlolo Colon's career line. He averaged 1.2 hits per season. Yes, I am OK with giving up his one HR, so that a DH could have hit 15 to 20 HRs over that same period of ABs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Knowing someone is going to fail 90% of the time isn't "strategy". It's masochistic. Did you like the excitement of Martin Maldonado get his monthly hit too? I did. I was trying to cut down at the time so I took a drink every time he got a hit....I mean it was a pretty big drink 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 52 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: See, my definition of boring would be knowing that something was going to end in failure almost every single time, yet still pretending to be exited about it because once years ago, someone did something positive. It would be like having an audience for people buying lottery tickets as a spectator sport. I mean, the Sox did draw a supposed 1.38 million people last year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 12 hours ago, ron883 said: Get rid of the entire AL/NL model. Have all teams play each and every team an equal amount. 4-5 games against every team (math). No divisions or leagues. Either scrap the wildcard and the top 8 make it, or keep the current 12 team playoff system and give the top teams byes. No division champion, no league champion? No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 51 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Small price to pay 😆 Bro just said he would rather watch Jose Contreras bat .094 than win the World Series 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 why is everything an argument with you people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 46 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And for the record, this is Barlolo Colon's career line. He averaged 1.2 hits per season. Yes, I am OK with giving up his one HR, so that a DH could have hit 15 to 20 HRs over that same period of ABs. But what's more exciting: Jim Thome launching a home run so far it has a plaque or a home run that is only famous because a fat guy hit it while flailing for his life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 minute ago, nrockway said: why is everything an argument with you people... Cause you're telling us — not opining — that the game will be exciting and have more hits if objectively worse hitters are put in the game, robbing fans of a better experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBJ03 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Someone on twitter suggested Cubs, Brewers, Cubs, Cards and the more I thought about it I decided I actually liked it. Everyone would hate the Cubs and the Cubs would hate everyone. It would make the Cubs/Sox games matter every single time because its a division game. I also think it would help with attendance because travel for fans or just transplants would be much more feasible. I hated the first iteration, but when I looked at this one I found myself enjoying the idea of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Rivalries are overrated, this is why the Dolphins got stuck remaining in the AFC east with 3 cold weather teams almost half the country away. They should have been moved to the AFC South instead of the Colts, but "rivalries" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) I'm torn. Part of me thinks it would be awesome being in the same division as the Cubs and the other part of me hates it. Edit: it would definitely help out attendance a few extra games a season. And if you are in the same division as Cardinals and Brewers, you see a boost there as well when you play them. Edited August 19 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: I'm torn. Part of me thinks it would be awesome being in the same division as the Cubs and the other part of me hates it. Edit: it would definitely help out attendance a few extra games a season. And if you are in the same division as Cardinals and Brewers, you see a boost there as well when you play them. I like the idea of the Cubs and Sox (as well as Yankees/Mets and Dodgers/Angels) having their own set of regional rivals and not just sharing the same two other teams as rivals. Group us with Milwaukee and St. Louis and that leaves Detroit and Minnesota out in the cold. Long-term, one concern is that having both Chicago teams lumped in the same division would make the White Sox seem superfluous to the Cubs as far has having a MLB presence in Chicago. Chicago is not a 2-team city like NY or LA (which have 2 teams in each of the major sports). We have 2 MLB teams only because it's relic of a bygone era. To make matters worse, we have one MLB team that always draws well through good seasons and bad and another team that always seems to struggle to draw fans unless they win the World Series. Edited August 19 by 77 Hitmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 2 hours ago, wegner said: I did. I was trying to cut down at the time so I took a drink every time he got a hit....I mean it was a pretty big drink I took a drink every time he made an out. The doctor told me I should drink more fluids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, bmags said: This is better. AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Toronto, Phillies North: White Sox, Brewers, Twins, Tigers South: Rangers, Rays, Nashville, Royals West: Mariners, Angels, As, Rockies NL East: Mets, Nationals, Orioles, Charlotte North: Cubs, Pirates, Guardians, Reds West: Dodgers, Giants, Diamondbacks, Padres South: Cardinals, Braves, Miami, Houston This does SEC definitions of 'south' If you want to do east/west, I'd do EAST North Atlantic: Red Sox Yankees Mets Phillies Mid Atlantic Orioles Nationals Pittsburgh Nashville South East Braves Marlins Rays Charlotte NorthWest Toronto Detroit Reds Guardians Nearly all of those teams save nashville are Eastern Time Zone WEST Great Lakes Milwaukee Chicago Cubs Chicago White Sox Minnesota Twins South St Louis Kansas City Houston Dallas Pacific Seattle San Francisco Los Angeles A Los Angeles D Southwest Padres Rockies Diamondbacks As I don't see MLB clustering both expansion teams in the Southeast. Perhaps one of Charlotte OR Nashville, but not both. Also, for all the breathless talk about Nashville, it's very questionable they'd provide a lot of public money to a MLB stadium after they just spent a fortune on the new Titans stadium. As far as I know, only two cities/states are committing lots of money toward a MLB stadium: Salt Lake City and Portland. Plus, I'd imagine MLB would want one of the expansion teams to go out west in either the Pacific or Mountain time zones and a place with some proximity to the west coast teams. If they put a team in Portland, that would be 8 MLB teams in the Pacific time zone, enough to fill a 4-team NL West and AL West. Edited August 19 by 77 Hitmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 4 minutes ago, soxrwhite said: I took a drink every time he made an out. The doctor told me I should drink more fluids. Can I get the phone number for that Dr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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