greg775 Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 On 10/17/2025 at 10:33 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Yeah, you just went full on homer. I’m not a Sox fan, and am instead a Marlins fan, because I think Getz and Jerry suck at their respective jobs. Thanks for proving my point about you. Sadly the Sox have 90 percent lost greg. I have absolutely no interest in our club and that's not because of a fan deficiency in me. I've worshiped this team in a non religious sense from the time I was a mere Little Leaguer to now. My teachers told me if one person feels one way, trust there are others. Jerry should be ashamed there have to be thousands of former die hards now not caring one bit if we improve a pitching staff in which I cannot name more than one pitcher. You all soon in all likelihood won't have to put up with any greg posts anymore if the Sox completely finish off my Sox lack of interest. So sad. Thanks Jerry. Year after year of trash baseball does this to a diehard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 7 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: They played better after the All Star Break, that's well and good but it was still below .500. Sorry I don't have your faith for three primary reasons. 1. JR is till the owner and with labor unrest he's not taking any risks 2. Getz has shown to be poor at allocating whatever resources JR allows him to spend. 3. As far as on the field the pitching staff is brutal. Period. Very little starting pitching and a bullpen that the past two years has been the worst in baseball especially at blowing late leads. How do you get to 70 wins with that? You're counting on Getz to somehow make better choices in that area then what we've seen, well.. time will tell. Personally I expect more of the same, cast off's, retreads, has been's, injury prone guys and over 30 guys just trying to hang on and get a paycheck. Not exactly a recipe for winning is it or even getting to .500. But again, time will tell. You forgot scrap heap, never were's, and criminals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 4 hours ago, soxrwhite said: You forgot scrap heap, never were's, and criminals. I don't think any of them are criminals (yet...) 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: I don't think any of them are criminals (yet...) 😄 Maybe he's referring to a certain 3 time free agent signee... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 7 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Maybe he's referring to a certain 3 time free agent signee... Good point, he's still around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 12 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Good point, he's still around yep. Clevinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 On 9/29/2025 at 4:17 PM, Dick Allen said: Burgeios and Butera also gone. Sizemore offered another job in the organization. Sergio Santos sent packing as well. Why Santos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 4 minutes ago, hi8is said: Why Santos? No one has said anything about why guys were fired. I haven't even seen where anyone even asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 15 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Good point, he's still around He elected free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: He elected free agency. Doesn't mean Getz won't try to bring him back again though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, hi8is said: Why Santos? Santos was working towards a major league job, and he most probably wasn't in the Sox' immediate plans. As far as some others, that period coming out of the ASB was pretty telling for Thames. Venable went to the press to announce how hitters had to start getting more aggressive, and they exploded out of the break, scoring 7+ in 6 of their first 7 games. That seemed like an open rift between Venable and Thames. As far as Katz, the bullpen really stumbled in 2024 and 2025. No, he wasn't given an all Star crew to work with, but seemingly normal relievers who had past success were dropping like flies. Hill, Brebbia, Booser - Cannon and Burke took clear steps backwards. Not blaming Katz for those non-successes, but that all looked like a clear cut-off point for Venable to get his own support guys in the dugout. Edited October 20 by WestEddy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 8 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Doesn't mean Getz won't try to bring him back again though. True but I’m just correcting your claim that he’s still around. Because he’s not until otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 20 Author Share Posted October 20 17 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Santos was working towards a major league job, and he most probably wasn't in the Sox' immediate plans. As far as some others, that period coming out of the ASB was pretty telling for Thames. Venable went to the press to announce how hitters had to start getting more aggressive, and they exploded out of the break, scoring 7+ in 6 of their first 7 games. That seemed like an open rift between Venable and Thames. As far as Katz, the bullpen really stumbled in 2024 and 2025. No, he wasn't given an all Star crew to work with, but seemingly normal relievers who had past success were dropping like flies. Hill, Brebbia, Booser - Cannon and Burke took clear steps backwards. Not blaming Katz for those non-successes, but that all looked like a clear cut-off point for Venable to get his own support guys in the dugout. If your job hinged on these guys being successful, it's pretty much guaranteed you will need a resume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 6 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: If your job hinged on these guys being successful, it's pretty much guaranteed you will need a resume. Brebbia had a very effective season with the Giants in 2023, and Hill had immediate success with the Yankees in 2024 and 2025. People here are deliriously happy to point this out when taking shots at Getz, but it suddenly becomes controversial in other context? LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 16 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: If your job hinged on these guys being successful, it's pretty much guaranteed you will need a resume. It is amazing how much virtual ink was spent on Katz successes, but yet no one is willing to publicly say anything about his firing. And yet, we are supposed to suck up this White Sox sponsored opinion pieces as objective fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It is amazing how much virtual ink was spent on Katz successes, but yet no one is willing to publicly say anything about his firing. And yet, we are supposed to suck up this White Sox sponsored opinion pieces as objective fact. Which do you want? If concrete examples seep out, you'd criticize the org for spitting on these guys as they leave. When the nebulous (it was time to let Venable pick his staff) reasons are reported, you claim no reasons are ever given. I mean, Liptak posted some vague, unsourced blurb about how somebody in SF called Katz "High School Harry", and you couldn't say enough bad things about the White Sox org for allowing some nameless, independent reporter to quote somebody anonymously from San Francisco about an inconsequential nickname. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 20 Author Share Posted October 20 43 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Brebbia had a very effective season with the Giants in 2023, and Hill had immediate success with the Yankees in 2024 and 2025. People here are deliriously happy to point this out when taking shots at Getz, but it suddenly becomes controversial in other context? LOL. They are $1 million to $1.5 million free agent signings. The league knows they suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: They are $1 million to $1.5 million free agent signings. The league knows they suck. The Yankees sure didn't know Tim Hill sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 As per FutureSox podcast last night, Blake Hickman and Donovan Clark out of the Sox org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 35 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Which do you want? If concrete examples seep out, you'd criticize the org for spitting on these guys as they leave. When the nebulous (it was time to let Venable pick his staff) reasons are reported, you claim no reasons are ever given. I mean, Liptak posted some vague, unsourced blurb about how somebody in SF called Katz "High School Harry", and you couldn't say enough bad things about the White Sox org for allowing some nameless, independent reporter to quote somebody anonymously from San Francisco about an inconsequential nickname. Honestly, I would settle for some objective coverage, but that is a bridge too far, obviously. He didn't go from being the greatest thing to ever happen to Sox pitching, to the reason for all of our problems overnight... Just like everyone else did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 (edited) 28 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Honestly, I would settle for some objective coverage, but that is a bridge too far, obviously. He didn't go from being the greatest thing to ever happen to Sox pitching, to the reason for all of our problems overnight... Just like everyone else did. But that's kind of where media is right now, isn't it? I mean, large scale political coverage sucks right now for the same reasons. Everybody wants access, and small players like FutureSox or SoxMachine can't just go full metal grump on the White Sox if they still want credentials, but some rumors creep out in the podcasts. I think the writing's all there. It's easy for a pitching coach to be a wonder boy with Lucas Gioloto and Dylan Cease, but turning a Jon Cannon into something useful is something else altogether. The Thames move looks pretty clear cut on the surface. He had his own victories, but that ASB outburst from Venable, along with Tauchman's "team meeting" to reinforce it looked like the viral moment. Bannister seemed to have a pretty clear idea of what should have worked with the Penn Murfee, Eisert, Gilbert and Booser acquisitions, and all of that was a struggle. So was that Katz? Is the problem that everybody sucked (Because Getz sux, haw-haw-haw!! And nothing will change until everybody dies!!), or was there a difference in philosophy that Banny couldn't get Katz to implement? Inquiring minds want to know. Edited October 20 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 3 minutes ago, WestEddy said: But that's kind of where media is right now, isn't it? I mean, large scale political coverage sucks right now for the same reasons. Everybody wants access, and small players like FutureSox or SoxMachine can't just go full metal grump on the White Sox if they still want credentials, but some rumors creep out in the podcasts. I think the writing's all there. It's easy for a pitching coach to be a wonder boy with Lucas Gioloto and Dylan Cease, but turning a Jon Cannon into something useful is something else altogether. The Thames move looks pretty clear cut on the surface. He had his own victories, but that ASB outburst from Venable, along with Tauchman's "team meeting" to reinforce it looked like the viral moment. Bannister seemed to have a pretty clear idea of what should have worked with the Penn Murfee, Eisert, Gilbert and Booser acquisitions, and all of that was a struggle. So was that Katz? Is the problem that everybody sucked (Because Getz sux, haw-haw-haw!!), or was there a difference in philosophy that Banny couldn't get Katz to implement? Inquiring minds want to know. So the GM is the problem not Katz. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: So the GM is the problem not Katz. Got it. You have a weird way of just shutting down a conversation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: You have a weird way of just shutting down a conversation. You have a weird way of making excuses for everyone by blaming the last guys to get fired which effectively does the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: You have a weird way of making excuses for everyone by blaming the last guys to get fired which effectively does the same thing. Just talking about the coaching situations, and you snapped. As usual. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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