Robert Thread: Sox talking to Reds, Mets

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

11 hours ago, hogan873 said:

To me, the only bad thig about trading Robert now is he'd be dealt when his value is relatively low.  The return will be less than optimum and most likely wouldn't help the Sox in 2026.  However, do we really think Robert will be on this team beyond 2026?  I certainly don't.  If he plays well in 2026, and he isn't traded at the deadline, he'll get paid by some other team for 2027 and after.  If he struggles again, or is hurt again, he'll stick around all season and not be re-signed.

The best case scenario is the Sox hold onto him, he tears it up for the first half (and miraculously doesn't get hurt), and he gets traded for a nice return at the deadline.  Do we really see that happening?  History says it's unlikely.

3rd time's the charm ? 

Getz has to have a couple of objectives when it comes to Robert.

A. Trade him for a return he thinks is head and shoulders above another offer.

B. In the unlikely event that offer doesnt materialize, keep Robert and hope his talents manifest enough to contribute to a much stronger record in the 1st half to avoid another 100 loss season . 

Murakami and the promise of a full years worth and continued progress from the young hitters is not guaranteed . If both Murakami and Robert do well  Getz could be looking for a much bigger score at the deadline . 

Then after the TDL the Sox could be fueled by pitchers returning from TJS and perhaps Braden Montgomery, Antonacci, Schultz, Hagen Smith , Oppor and McDougal.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

7 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

People are taking way too simplistic of a view on this.  They are certainly right in saying we have failed to cash in on Robert for two straight years.  And I fully get the skepticism that the third will be the charm.  However, Robert went through some drastic changes last year and may have turned a corner with the bat.  That doesn’t change the fact that he’s injury prone, but with half a season’s time it could address the other element that has impacted his value which is being a bad hitter.  Not saying the juice will be worth the squeeze ultimately, but the calculus is arguably different now than it was a year ago if you believe in his improvements.

All this being said, I’m not sure I see a better use of his $20M next year that doesn’t involve a significant long-term contract that Jerry won’t permit.  I’d rather roll the dice on Robert one last time, try to build some momentum with the positional group, and see where things stand in July.  If someone is willing give up real value for him right now, I’d certainly accept that offer.  But based on what have seen and heard so far this offseason, teams don’t appear to be willing to pay up for 2nd half Robert (or 75% of that guy) even if we include cash.  As such, we likely need to hold and hope he can be both healthy and productive.

 I hadn't even read what you say here before I made my post (above) that started with "3rd time's the charm ?"  in which I also took a look at the big picture which is  very much in line with your  too simplistic look philosophy . 

Edited yesterday at 12:54 AM by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

6 hours ago, WestEddy said:

I don't disagree. But there seems to be some frustration over Chris Getz not announcing a blow by blow commentary of any trade discussions, or to settle for a package that has less value than just plugging a very good defensive CF into a lineup with no better options in the system. I mean, every team in transience announces a core player or two who is untouchable, and they listen on any phone calls they get. 

I also don't get the notion that we all have to pretend the White Sox front office is regularly asking for Crochet-like packages in exchange for Robert and are befuddled when the line goes dead. It's kind of insulting to demand we all pretend that. 

Nobody walks into a car dealership and announces the highest price they're willing to pay. It's a game. So is the trade market. I suppose I'll be accused of writing pages of "WestEddy Getz" in my notebook because I only think he's acting the way the rest of the league does. 

I agree. Its a game and deception is part of  it. Using words like Getz is lying or Getz is a liar is more inflamatory and more Anti Getz than anything you say that people perceive as pro Getz.  We should all be Pro what's best for the White Sox and it's my understanding that Getz and his staff are doing their best under trying financial restraints. Let's not pretend that there's anything more sinister going on here besides an owner extremely cognizant of preparing the team to be sold so his heirs make as much money as possible after his death. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

6 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

So you can admit that Getz is perfectly willing to lie to us, but then get all up in a bunch to justify him doing exactly that when someone points out that is pretty clearly lying to us.  Weird, because I think you are the one who is upset that someone is questioning the Great and Powerful Getz, hence the effort to parse his words and make everything okey dokey.  Getz is lying, not lying, and justified in lying, all at once.  That is covering some bases.

You used the word lie or lying 5 times in this post when referring to Getz over trading a player as if you arent fully aware that GM's and agents all dont partake in some kind of manipulative word games as part of off season rhetoric. 

You show way more disdain for Getz with your sarcastic blast at anything you perceive as pro Getz with your Oz reference and pretentious use of "lying"   than Eddy ever shows in trying to protray a fair picture of the Sox front office.

Let's just call a spade a spade . This is all about continuing the narrative that Getz is a villain and ignoring  that there has been quite a bit of others buying into what Getz is trying to build . He isn't some Svengali  although you seem to revel in portraying him as such.

Edited yesterday at 01:34 AM by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[southsider2k5]

13 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

You used the word lie or lying 5 times in this post when referring to Getz over trading a player as if you arent fully aware that GM's and agents all dont partake in some kind of manipulative word games as part of off season rhetoric. 

You show way more disdain for Getz with your sarcastic blast at anything you perceive as pro Getz with your Oz reference and pretentious use of "lying"   than Eddy ever shows in trying to protray a fair picture of the Sox front office.

Let's just call a spade a spade . This is all about continuing the narrative that Getz is a villain and ignoring  that there has been quite a bit of others buying into what Getz is trying to build . He isn't some Svengali  although you seem to revel in portraying him as such.

Sir, this is a Wendy's. 

[WestEddy]

9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

You used the word lie or lying 5 times in this post when referring to Getz over trading a player as if you arent fully aware that GM's and agents all dont partake in some kind of manipulative word games as part of off season rhetoric. 

You show way more disdain for Getz with your sarcastic blast at anything you perceive as pro Getz with your Oz reference and pretentious use of "lying"   than Eddy ever shows in trying to protray a fair picture of the Sox front office.

Let's just call a spade a spade . This is all about continuing the narrative that Getz is a villain and ignoring  that there has been quite a bit of others buying into what Getz is trying to build . He isn't some Svengali  although you seem to revel in portraying him as such.

He's a Svengali, manipulating everybody he encounters - while being too dumb to make the correct statement to the press. Like threading two needles, miles away from each other, with the same camel. Only one group of clever posters can decipher the deception. The rest of us are smitten. If you'll excuse me, I have some real property to transfer over to GetzCo. I don't know why. I just do. 

[southsider2k5]

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

He's a Svengali, manipulating everybody he encounters - while being too dumb to make the correct statement to the press. Like threading two needles, miles away from each other, with the same camel. Only one group of clever posters can decipher the deception. The rest of us are smitten. If you'll excuse me, I have some real property to transfer over to GetzCo. I don't know why. I just do. 

It's funny you say this, but yet you proceed to very clearly agree with me that he is manipulating the truth and not giving the whole truth to people,  meanwhile telling everyone its actually not happening,  but even if he is, it is perfectly ok, because of how you buy cars, and you definitely can't handle it being said without having to rushing to defend it.  Again.  Mock it all you like, but then stop making my points for me.

[WestEddy]

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It's funny you say this, but yet you proceed to very clearly agree with me that he is manipulating the truth and not giving the whole truth to people,  meanwhile telling everyone its actually not happening,  but even if he is, it is perfectly ok, because of how you buy cars, and you definitely can't handle it being said without having to rushing to defend it.  Again.  Mock it all you like, but then stop making my points for me.

He didn't say it's not happening. He said he expects LRJ to be their CF, although they'll listen to offers. Half the people complaining about this situation agree that they expect him to open the year in CF. I believe you even said that. You seem to imply that not bearing one's soul and spilling out all of one's motivations and goals is "lying". I laugh with you. 

[southsider2k5]

54 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

He didn't say it's not happening. He said he expects LRJ to be their CF, although they'll listen to offers. Half the people complaining about this situation agree that they expect him to open the year in CF. I believe you even said that. You seem to imply that not bearing one's soul and spilling out all of one's motivations and goals is "lying". I laugh with you. 

So, again.

He's not lying.

He is lying.

Even if he is lying, everyone does it, so it's ok.

Thanks again. 

[Snopek]

3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Uhhh, he’s trying to showcase himself in an easier league to get another paycheck.

Glad that you know the REAL truth.

[chitownsportsfan]

Wasn't ever too much surplus value / window to trade Robert the last three seasons given his performance and injuries.

Probably the fact of the matter at this point is the Sox have bigger fish to fry. If he gets moved great, if he doesn't, fine, he's not going to be a part of the next good Sox team either way.

[WestEddy]

58 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So, again.

He's not lying.

He is lying.

Even if he is lying, everyone does it, so it's ok.

Thanks again. 

Do you not understand the meaning of words? He said: He expects Robert to be their CF, but they'll listen.  Point out the lie. 

[WhiteSox2023]

53 minutes ago, Snopek said:

Glad that you know the REAL truth.

No problem.  You’re welcome for sharing the obvious with you.

[Snopek]

10 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

No problem.  You’re welcome for sharing the obvious with you.

Lol. This isn’t one of the two times a broken clock is right, but keep fighting the good fight. I’m sure being bitter and cynical toward everything is very worth it in the end.

[WhiteSox2023]

48 minutes ago, Snopek said:

Lol. This isn’t one of the two times a broken clock is right, but keep fighting the good fight. I’m sure being bitter and cynical toward everything is very worth it in the end.

I’m bitter because I posted the obvious and you feel the strange need to white knight Eloy Jimenez?

[southsider2k5]

11 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Do you not understand the meaning of words? He said: He expects Robert to be their CF, but they'll listen.  Point out the lie. 

I already have, and you are word playing statements to try to get around it, while simultaneously making the case that everyone lies, which goes back to you supporting my original point.  Again.

He's not lying.

He is lying.

Even if he is lying, everyone does it, so it's ok.

[Snopek]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I’m bitter because I posted the obvious and you feel the strange need to white knight Eloy Jimenez?

You made me look up white knighting (annoying) and I'll be damned if you didn't further prove my point by using that term.

The jokes write themselves.