10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

They're probably hard to run accurate projections because a lot of key players are so young. They sure look like a good team who takes advantage and executes well.

They are also without two starting position players in their lineup.

40 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

We are just back from a Caribbean cruise so didn’t catch the first 2 games, so far things are horrible being outscored 20-3, I’m already depressed, don’t know if I can handle another 100 loss season. Hopefully they can figure things out and win today.

Any way you could have extended your cruise? May have been better off. 🫣

2 hours ago, WBWSF said:

The current White Sox slogan is Feel The Momentum. If the team keeps losing I wonder if the slogan quietly goes away.

They will update it to “Feel The Pain”.

I feel like tagging this “Nowhere to go but up” was a bit presumptuous and now everyone is mad about it

3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I feel like tagging this “Nowhere to go but up” was a bit presumptuous and now everyone is mad about it

Only lost by 5 instead of 12. #FeelTheMomentum

31 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Liptak is trolling everybody who doesn't share his views. He rejoices over Vasil's TJS, and chalks it up to incompetence. Everybody's angry, yet the angry people who are generally positive get told to shut up when lashing back at the trolls. "Being angry" isn't a reason to be lashing out at Sox fans. As DoUEven points out, it's tiresome. Say the team sucks, Fire Getz, Venable, every single player's a bum, how dare they platoon or rest a guy a game, but Jesus Christ, trolling us is stupid.

And seriously, if Liptak's been watching Jerry's s%*# show longer than anybody and hating every minute of it, then he's the dumbest masochist of all. Instead of mocking Sox fans, he should just be saying, "thank you, master, may I have another?".

Again you bring up this stupidity that I'm "rejoicing" over Vasil's TJS.

You can do better.

I still follow the Sox religiously because that is what I grew up with on the South Side and the team my family cared about.

I'm loyal but loyalty doesn't mean unlimited, turn a blind eye to the incompetence and thinking that everything is going to be OK.

Hint: it is not. And things haven't been OK since the start of the 2007 season and the numbers don't lie.

I'm not trolling anybody even folks like you. I'm royally pissed off and letting those feeling show. If that bothers you, I won't apologize for it.

I've never told anybody to shut up for being optimistic, you can think what you will. The numbers say having that philosophy with this organization with this owner is a fools errand.

But you absolutely have the right to think what you will.

Edited 11 hours ago11 hr by Lip Man 1

4 hours ago, Ducksnort said:

You can play the lineup splits game when you have, ya know, a decent team. Like LAD, CHC, PHI, MIL, NYY, DET, et al. You don't necessarily have that luxury when you don't have really good players to begin with, or at least proven ones.

Also, and I am not trying to make excuses at all, but it does suck that both Teel and Baldwin are on the shelf at the moment. All teams deal with injuries, but it's even more exacerbated when you don't have much to play with after your starters get hurt.

Just gotta hold onto the anticipation of Braden, Ant, Roch, McDougal, etc I guess. But damn it sucks to keep saying "just wait until player xyz makes the roster then things will be better, when we've been saying this since basically 2017, almost 10 years, and with little to show for it. Patience runs thin when you've been essentially rebuilding for a decade.

Very true and if somehow these kids do start to produce and JR is still around when they get to free agency you know they'll be leaving for greener pastures.

27 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

They are also without two starting position players in their lineup.

I think Jake Bauers is a clear upgrade from Andrew Vaughn.

6 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Again you bring up this stupidity that I'm "rejoicing" over Vasil's TJS.

You can do better.

I still follow the Sox religiously because that is what I grew up with on the South Side and the team my family cared about.

I'm loyal but loyalty doesn't mean unlimited, turn a blind eye to the incompetence and thinking that everything is going to be OK.

Hint: it is not. And things haven't been OK since the start of the 200o7 season and the numbers don't lie.

I'm not trolling anybody even folks like you. I'm royally pissed off and letting those feeling show. If that bothers you, I won't apologize for it.

I've never told anybody to shut up for being optimistic, you can think what you will. The numbers say having that philosophy with this organization with this owner is a fools errand.

But you absolutely have the right to think what you will.

I did do better. The Vasil injury wasn't "incompetence". It's trolling to treat it as such.

The Sox went to the playoffs in 2008, so 2007's a weird cutoff. So, apparently, making the playoffs and being competitive is incompetence. I'll admit that Hahn did a horrible job of building depth, and I believe KW hamstrung him in his efforts. I feel this team's on the right path. It's a tough way to open the season. Nobody's asking you to be a cheer leader. The issue at hand is rolling into the game thread after a loss and vomiting.

Do you boo death at funerals? It's like being at a job, and the air conditioning goes out on a hot summer day. One guy complains loud and long about how hot it is, and when others tell him it's not helping, he exclaims that nothing will change until everybody's complaining, and he's doing noble work. "What, do you like sweating your ass off?"

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

I did do better. The Vasil injury wasn't "incompetence". It's trolling to treat it as such.

The Sox went to the playoffs in 2008, so 2007's a weird cutoff. So, apparently, making the playoffs and being competitive is incompetence. I'll admit that Hahn did a horrible job of building depth, and I believe KW hamstrung him in his efforts. I feel this team's on the right path. It's a tough way to open the season. Nobody's asking you to be a cheer leader. The issue at hand is rolling into the game thread after a loss and vomiting.

Do you boo death at funerals? It's like being at a job, and the air conditioning goes out on a hot summer day. One guy complains loud and long about how hot it is, and when others tell him it's not helping, he exclaims that nothing will change until everybody's complaining, and he's doing noble work. "What, do you like sweating your ass off?"

Comparing the White Sox to a funeral.

Perfect.

14 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Very true and if somehow these kids do start to produce and JR is still around when they get to free agency you know they'll be leaving for greener pastures.

Thomas, Ventura, Konerko, Durham, Buehrle, Dye, Thome, Lance Johnson, Raines, Abreu - they were all re-upped at one time or another.

You can do better.

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I did do better. The Vasil injury wasn't "incompetence". It's trolling to treat it as such.

The Sox went to the playoffs in 2008, so 2007's a weird cutoff. So, apparently, making the playoffs and being competitive is incompetence. I'll admit that Hahn did a horrible job of building depth, and I believe KW hamstrung him in his efforts. I feel this team's on the right path. It's a tough way to open the season. Nobody's asking you to be a cheer leader. The issue at hand is rolling into the game thread after a loss and vomiting.

Do you boo death at funerals? It's like being at a job, and the air conditioning goes out on a hot summer day. One guy complains loud and long about how hot it is, and when others tell him it's not helping, he exclaims that nothing will change until everybody's complaining, and he's doing noble work. "What, do you like sweating your ass off?"

2007 is the start of the slide of this franchise.

From 1981-2006 the Sox had 16 winning seasons and were usually competitive. JR still cared about trying to win.

From 2007-2025 the Sox have had five winning season (one of those in a 60-game season) a season at .500 and 13 losing years.

The difference is striking.

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Thomas, Ventura, Konerko, Durham, Buehrle, Dye, Thome, Lance Johnson, Raines, Abreu - they were all re-upped at one time or another.

You can do better.

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Thomas, Ventura, Konerko, Durham, Buehrle, Dye, Thome, Lance Johnson, Raines, Abreu - they were all re-upped at one time or another.

You can do better.

All of those listed were before JR has apparently thrown in the towel too. And they only people of those you listed who left under good terms were Konerko, Duham (I think), Dye (I think), Thome and Raines.

8 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

2007 is the start of the slide of this franchise.

From 1981-2006 the Sox had 16 winning seasons and were usually competitive. JR still cared about trying to win.

From 2007-2025 the Sox have had five winning season (one of those in a 60-game season) a season at .500 and 13 losing years.

The difference is striking.

He certainly relied on his front office and signed a bunch of top prospects to contracts to keep them around a while. KW was not a big believer in building out the minor league system. JR's at fault for keeping KW/Hahn on for that long. I believe the work Getz is doing is a night/day difference.

5 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

All of those listed were before JR has apparently thrown in the towel too. And they only people of those you listed who left under good terms were Konerko, Duham (I think), Dye (I think), Thome and Raines.

They extended Robert, Moncada, Anderson and Jimenez. Locking up young talent sure doesn't look like "throwing in the towel". They didn't have any Plan Bs. Too often, plan A was crossing their fingers and hoping Avasail Garcia finally figured it out.

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

They extended Robert, Moncada, Anderson and Jimenez. Locking up young talent sure doesn't look like "throwing in the towel". They didn't have any Plan Bs. Too often, plan A was crossing their fingers and hoping Avasail Garcia finally figured it out.

If that's not incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness then I don't know what is.

Thanks for pointing that out and helping to make the case. Last I looked "hope" was not a recipe for success.

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

He certainly relied on his front office and signed a bunch of top prospects to contracts to keep them around a while. KW was not a big believer in building out the minor league system. JR's at fault for keeping KW/Hahn on for that long. I believe the work Getz is doing is a night/day difference.

Time will tell. So far? Not encouraging but again you are free to think what you will.

2 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

If that's not incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness then I don't know what is.

Thanks for pointing that out and helping to make the case. Last I looked "hope" was not a recipe for success.

And I have said that Hahn didn't do a good job, but I thought he was hamstrung by KW's philosophies. It's silly to ignore the players they extended for what they thought was a run of dominance. They all collapsed, and there was nothing in the minors. Ignoring inconvenient facts doesn't make your point.

3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Time will tell. So far? Not encouraging but again you are free to think what you will.

No, two games against the team with the best record in the game last year is not encouraging. I don't watch a guy overthrow a base and think the owner made him do that. It's a 162 game season. You've been a fan for 93 years, so I'd think you'd understand it's a long season, and no team is as good as they look on a winning streak, and they're not as bad as they look in a slump.

52 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I think Jake Bauers is a clear upgrade from Andrew Vaughn.

Uhhh, no. And the Brewers don’t think so either.

1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Uhhh, no. And the Brewers don’t think so either.

LOL. Now Andrew Vaughn is a perennial All-Star? Give me a break.

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

LOL. Now Andrew Vaughn is a perennial All-Star? Give me a break.

Where did I say that? I just said that he is better than Jake freaking Bauers and the Brewers obviously think so as well. Do you enjoy putting words in other’s mouths? Because you sure do it a lot here.

Edited 10 hours ago10 hr by WhiteSox2023

so how are they going to lose 6-4