"What does that mean to the Guardians, who take raw talent and guide him to the big leagues, through a plan that sees him navigate position changes (second base, shortstop and third,) to become a family man and hometown hero in Cleveland? It means they have one of those “good, solid young men” DiBiasio speaks of. A family man, A man of character. The kind of man who can lead the Guardians to greatness through perseverance, hard work and loyalty."

“Your highest paid player better be your best person,” said DiBiasio.

The Villager Newspaper Online

Cleveland Guardians Share Secrets to Success - The Villag...

The Cleveland Guardians are one of Major League Baseball’s most successful franchises. Year after year they finish close to the top, making the playoffs and giving fans plenty of thrills. Competing in

When's the last time this last sentence was close to being true for the Sox???

Grandal Benintendi Robert (didn't remember Charlie Montoyo's name or who he even was), TA, Jimenez, Moncada, Lynn, Keuchel...

Kimbrel and Giolito were probably the closest to that description over the last decade. There weren't many. Burger, too.

The White Sox are usually loyal to a fault, but for all the wrong reasons. Not lining up with the values listed here for being deserving of two way loyalty/trust.

Whether it's Mune, Colson, Teel...pick your foundational piece to build around that will be a White Sox for life and give them that first $100-200 million deal.

Maybe it's Cholowsky? Or even Braden or Bonemer.

But you need to pick someone or the ship will continue to founder on the rocks.

The face of the franchise.

There hasn't really been once since TA and Abreu.

They forced it on Andrew Vaughn and it simply didn't fit.

Edited Sunday at 11:51 AM4 days by caulfield12

1948

12 minutes ago, soxrwhite said:

1948

But also third best record in MLB over the last 12 years.

White Sox are 29th or 30th.

By that standard, being Marlins' or White Sox franchise fans since the 1990's would be much more rewarding???

Certainly the much more efficient allocation of resources.

At least we're not the Mariners Padres or Brewers then???

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

But also third best record in MLB over the last 12 years.

White Sox are 29th or 30th.

By that standard, being Marlins' or White Sox franchise fans since the 1990's would be much more rewarding???

Certainly the much more efficient allocation of resources.

At least we're not the Mariners Padres or Brewers then???

Those "3rd best record in the last 12 years" banners hang forever.

Edited Monday at 03:30 AM3 days by WestEddy

Embrace the Basement isn't much better...

And no more cracks about SD?

You won't find any Padres fans exchanging 2019-2026 places with the White Sox...despite no WS.

Reminiscing over 2005 won't help the Ishbias to develop a new generation Sox fans...unfortunately.

Edited Monday at 04:06 AM3 days by caulfield12

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Embrace the Basement isn't much better...

And no more cracks about SD?

You won't find any Padres fans exchanging 2019-2026 places with the White Sox...despite no WS.

Reminiscing over 2005 won't help the Ishbias to develop a new generation Sox fans...unfortunately.

You make no sense whatsoever. It's argument for argument's sake, at best.

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Embrace the Basement isn't much better...

And no more cracks about SD?

You won't find any Padres fans exchanging 2019-2026 places with the White Sox...despite no WS.

Reminiscing over 2005 won't help the Ishbias to develop a new generation Sox fans...unfortunately.

I won't find any Padres' fans because I generally don't look for them. When Mr. Ishbia calls me every night to ask me about my reminiscing over 2005, he says it drives him to add a thousand new young fans a day. So, yes it does help, immensely.

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

I won't find any Padres' fans because I generally don't look for them. When Mr. Ishbia calls me every night to ask me about my reminiscing over 2005, he says it drives him to add a thousand new young fans a day. So, yes it does help, immensely.

Better strategy than your Elko Attendance Wave I guess.

Can we at least troll someone like the more creative Rockies' social media team over the Yankees?

https://nypost.com/2026/04/26/sports/rockies-troll-mets-after-doubleheader-sweep-in-queens/

new Kings of Queens

Edited Monday at 08:38 AM3 days by caulfield12

3 hours ago, tray said:

You make no sense whatsoever. It's argument for argument's sake, at best.

Well we're even lol.

Except I haven't invested hundreds of hours of fighting a one man war like (Don't) Quixote for a return to glory on the northern side of 35th Street.

Ishbia will die before that happens.

He's not a billionaire hedge funder due to making rash ill-advised investments.

And are you War Machine or something?

Will you finally wave the White Flag when the first pylon penetrates the earth at the 78?

Edited Monday at 08:44 AM3 days by caulfield12

It would be great if the Sox organization would take a serious look at why teams like the Guardians have been so successful over the last 3 decades at developing top-level talent over and over again while the White Sox have certainly not.

Unfortunately, I suspect the powers that be at the White Sox have the same mindset as some Sox fans and just say "2005>1948". If that's really the case, it's no wonder this organization is a total clown show that has taken their advantage of being in the #3 market and turned this team into the one that is #30 in revenue.

30 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

It would be great if the Sox organization would take a serious look at why teams like the Guardians have been so successful over the last 3 decades at developing top-level talent over and over again while the White Sox have certainly not.

Unfortunately, I suspect the powers that be at the White Sox have the same mindset as some Sox fans and just say "2005>1948". If that's really the case, it's no wonder this organization is a total clown show that has taken their advantage of being in the #3 market and turned this team into the one that is #30 in revenue.

I would imagine that clearing out the international scouting department, building a new facility in the DR, adding new tech and analysis is the result of looking at what more successful teams have been doing.

36 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

It would be great if the Sox organization would take a serious look at why teams like the Guardians have been so successful over the last 3 decades at developing top-level talent over and over again while the White Sox have certainly not.

Unfortunately, I suspect the powers that be at the White Sox have the same mindset as some Sox fans and just say "2005>1948". If that's really the case, it's no wonder this organization is a total clown show that has taken their advantage of being in the #3 market and turned this team into the one that is #30 in revenue.

Can I interest you in more bunting and utility players instead?

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

I would imagine that clearing out the international scouting department, building a new facility in the DR, adding new tech and analysis is the result of looking at what more successful teams have been doing.

Tatis Abreu Alexei E.Escobar Robert Jr. with career fWAR numbers to equal or better most team's intl signings over a 15 year period.

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

Can I interest you in more bunting and utility players instead?

Jacob Gonzalez now getting routinely mentioned as the next Sox band aid.

There's some strange ass stuff on Twitter about how this Sox team is the best most exciting 11-17 team ever. I don't know where this comes from other than from the club itself and perhaps some stockholm syndrome fans. I don't know about you but that weekend series with the Snakes was awful to watch and reminded me of the corpse ball era. 4 instant easy outs in every lineup and the other half has talent but isn't elite.

16 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

There's some strange ass stuff on Twitter about how this Sox team is the best most exciting 11-17 team ever. I don't know where this comes from other than from the club itself and perhaps some stockholm syndrome fans. I don't know about you but that weekend series with the Snakes was awful to watch and reminded me of the corpse ball era. 4 instant easy outs in every lineup and the other half has talent but isn't elite.

I get your point but it was against Washington not Arizona.

9 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I get your point but it was against Washington not Arizona.

Always seem to conflate those two franchises. We looked decent against AZ.

1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said:

There's some strange ass stuff on Twitter about how this Sox team is the best most exciting 11-17 team ever. I don't know where this comes from other than from the club itself and perhaps some stockholm syndrome fans. I don't know about you but that weekend series with the Snakes was awful to watch and reminded me of the corpse ball era. 4 instant easy outs in every lineup and the other half has talent but isn't elite.

Why does people deciding they're going to be happy and enjoy the fun/bad have to be weird? The catastrophe dependency always strikes me as a bit much.

Edited Monday at 10:25 PM2 days by WestEddy

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Why does people deciding they're going to be happy and enjoy the fun/bad have to be weird? The catastrophe dependency always strikes me as a bit much.

I just don't see much evidence we've reached a "fun bad" stage. When you have 3/5 of the rotation held down by scrubs and 4/9 in the daily lineup same I'm not sure you can call that fun bad, that's just bad.

3 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I just don't see much evidence we've reached a "fun bad" stage. When you have 3/5 of the rotation held down by scrubs and 4/9 in the daily lineup same I'm not sure you can call that fun bad, that's just bad.

They were hitting a lot of dongs for a stretch.

6 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I just don't see much evidence we've reached a "fun bad" stage. When you have 3/5 of the rotation held down by scrubs and 4/9 in the daily lineup same I'm not sure you can call that fun bad, that's just bad.

I don't know what "held down by scrubs" means. Are you saying 3 starters aren't in the bigs because lesser pitchers occupy the rotation spot they're entitled to?

56 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Always seem to conflate those two franchises. We looked decent against AZ.

It doesn’t help that their colors seem to be becoming the same

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I don't know what "held down by scrubs" means. Are you saying 3 starters aren't in the bigs because lesser pitchers occupy the rotation spot they're entitled to?

between Burke, Noah, Martin, Fedde and kay/Smith we probably have 2 decent starters and 3 swingmen masquerading as rotation options. It's just hard to win that way. So far they've over performed the back of their base card as a group, to their credit, but I don't expect that to last.

Build a good farm system. Whether it's behind on tech, analytics, evaluation, development, international, drafting (ahem), the Sox farm system has been largely terrible for 60 years. The only exception was the late 80s/early 90s-Mid 00s. That was also the time they were consistently good. With some better work from the GMs, they would have made the playoffs more often and advanced further. But the lousy farm has long been the problem...and frankly, considering where they've been drafting, it still is.