4 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

Hiring origin is irrelevant to the question of quality of the results. Come on man. Thats just elementary logic

I will continue to hold the 3 straight 100 loss seasons against him instead.

Or I will keep mocking Ron for his trolling threads.

Come on man.

I would like to applaud Ron's GM over on the Northside for putting together the best defense in baseball...at least in terms of the outs against average metric.

It has been a number of years since the White Sox even were in the Top 50% of teams defensively.

Chris Getz repeatedly said in 2023/24 they were going to prioritize having a sound defensive foundation and improved speed and aggressiveness on the base paths.

Still waiting.

(Note: Acuna still needs to do a lot more to be a credible starter. And yes, Brooks Baldwin is out, for good and bad.)

StL Cardinals about to be 18-13 with a bottom 5 payroll.

Congrats!

Same goes for the Tampa Bay Rays...out to a surprising start behind Caminero, Simpson and lots of contact on offense.

And finally, also to Paul DePodesta and the Rockies...for assembling the youngest pitching staff with the most elite velo across the sport...and adding three savvy veteran starters to stabilize it all.

"The three worst teams in baseball (Mets, Phillies, Astros) carry top 12 payrolls -- with two of them in the top five. In aggregate, the record of the top 12 is 185-179, which means the average of the dozen biggest payrolls in baseball is ... an 82-win team.

As far as labor talking points for the MLB Players Association go, there are far worse than: If money spent matters enough that the league is intent on pursuing a salary cap, why are so many of the most expensive teams so bad?"

Jeff Passan, ESPN

(And that doesn't account for the Blue Jays and SFG, either.)

Edited 23 hours ago23 hr by caulfield12

Whoever the scout was that recommended Colson in the draft needs a raise. He's been one of the best players in MLB since the day he came up. If he played in any other market the hype would be non stop. God, imagine him with the fucking Cubs.

Mr. Getz TOTALLY vindicated with the Luis Robert trade as well. He got slammed for it. Looks like he was right.

Edited 21 hours ago21 hr by ron883

Not hyperbole- Last week the general consensus on this message board was that the rebuild had gone backwards (even though the rebuild includes the worst team in the history of MLB), the lineup was the worst the Sox ever had (even though they had the worst team ever 2 years ago), and that they would be lucky to win 60 games.

1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Whoever the scout was that recommended Colson in the draft needs a raise. He's been one of the best players in MLB since the day he came up. If he played in any other market the hype would be non stop. God, imagine him with the fucking Cubs.

Fans overrate their players. There was always hype. It was one of the few times the Sox drafted someone that young. He's not one of the best but maybe Sox best for now.

He's not Mike Trout or Witt Jr yet.

The organization made the move of promoting him without deserving it. That turned out to be one of the best moves.

He can also field when he is not hitting the baseball.

What about the scouts who discovered players in the late rounds?

Not sure what the Cubs has to do with this.

Just be glad we no longer have the KW era where college players who played more than one sport and their weakness catching a baseball.

6 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Not hyperbole- Last week the general consensus on this message board was that the rebuild had gone backwards (even though the rebuild includes the worst team in the history of MLB), the lineup was the worst the Sox ever had (even though they had the worst team ever 2 years ago), and that they would be lucky to win 60 games.

It's a long season. Team health plays a part. That always worries us. Let's see how they stack up with consistent better teams. We are giddy if they win 3 in a row but it would be great to see them win like 9 in a row. Even the bad teams have that luck.

40 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Mr. Getz TOTALLY vindicated with the Luis Robert trade as well. He got slammed for it. Looks like he was right.

Right in what way? Robert's immediate failure? They only thing good about it was finding someone to risk all of that $20M. The season is also far from over. Fans get carried away when in reality it was a salary dump. The not right part is getting a young player with no options and playing him.

31 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Not hyperbole- Last week the general consensus on this message board was that the rebuild had gone backwards (even though the rebuild includes the worst team in the history of MLB), the lineup was the worst the Sox ever had (even though they had the worst team ever 2 years ago), and that they would be lucky to win 60 games.

Consensus? No way. Hell even I was saying I still liked my preseason 69 win prediction. I liked it in a down week, and I still like it in an up week.

15 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

Right in what way? Robert's immediate failure? They only thing good about it was finding someone to risk all of that $20M. The season is also far from over. Fans get carried away when in reality it was a salary dump. The not right part is getting a young player with no options and playing him.

He would have really been vindicated if he had dumped him for the biggest offer out there the winter after he got the job and probably had 2 to 3 quality starting players from that deal on the ML roster today.

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

I will continue to hold the 3 straight 100 loss seasons against him instead.

Or I will keep mocking Ron for his trolling threads.

Come on man.

Even though he was only GM for two of them.

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

He would have really been vindicated if he had dumped him for the biggest offer out there the winter after he got the job and probably had 2 to 3 quality starting players from that deal on the ML roster today.

Sure it looks bad now but the Sox are not exactly giants in prospect humping

3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

And finally, also to Paul DePodesta and the Rockies...for assembling the youngest pitching staff with the most elite velo across the sport...and adding three savvy veteran starters to stabilize it all.

Colorado has the same record as the White Sox.

27 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

Right in what way? Robert's immediate failure? They only thing good about it was finding someone to risk all of that $20M. The season is also far from over. Fans get carried away when in reality it was a salary dump. The not right part is getting a young player with no options and playing him.

Getz was right to move on from Robert. There were some here who didn't really see how the White Sox could field a team without Robert anchoring CF. They've had a better April record than the last 5 years Robert has been a part of this club.

Sox players on the IL are traveling with the team, doing their part to keep spirits up by acting like magicians, or cheering everyone on. When Robert was here, the entire dugout had to make sure Robert was happy while he nursed an owie. Probably took the focus away from the field.

Edited 20 hours ago20 hr by WestEddy

41 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

He can also field when he is not hitting the baseball.

Baseball players generally don't "hit" the ball while they're playing in the field. Facts. Look it up.

15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Consensus? No way. Hell even I was saying I still liked my preseason 69 win prediction. I liked it in a down week, and I still like it in an up week.

You called this a 63 win team last week.

13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

He would have really been vindicated if he had dumped him for the biggest offer out there the winter after he got the job and probably had 2 to 3 quality starting players from that deal on the ML roster today.

Since we know the Director of Development makes all the decisions for the organization, he would have shown mad skills to have traded Robert before COVID hit in 2019. 2023 is reactionary.

5 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

Sure it looks bad now but the Sox are not exactly giants in prospect humping

One of two things happened when Getz took this job.

1. He and Jerry were both full of s%*# when he took over talking about this being the quickest way to competing and yet they still held on to Robert knowing his extensive injury history going all of the way back to his pro debut.

2. He honestly believed the hype about this being quick and held on to Robert thinking he would help speed things up despite his injury history and coming off literally his only full pro season with no injuries to speak of.

Either way, Robert was probably the biggest mistake of Getz's career since his last promotion. They rode him from a superstar to a post hype prospect return, when it could have been way different.

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You called this a 63 win team last week.

On pace for. Hopefully you are smart enough to understand the difference.

40 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Consensus? No way. Hell even I was saying I still liked my preseason 69 win prediction. I liked it in a down week, and I still like it in an up week.

nice

6. Cincinnati Reds

Record: 19-11
Previous ranking: 6

The Reds are in first place in the NL Central with the division's fourth-best run differential (minus-5), a 7-0 record in one-run games and two qualified hitters (Sal Stewart, de la Cruz) with above-average production at the plate. Conventional wisdom screams that those facts indicate an unsustainable level of luck over the course of a 162-game season. But wins are wins, and the Reds are banking them early under manager Terry Francona with encouraging developments.

Nationals 15-17, Abrams and Wood are stars.

Marlins took 2/3 from LAD at Chavez Ravine.

Edited 20 hours ago20 hr by caulfield12

32 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

One of two things happened when Getz took this job.

1. He and Jerry were both full of s%*# when he took over talking about this being the quickest way to competing and yet they still held on to Robert knowing his extensive injury history going all of the way back to his pro debut.

2. He honestly believed the hype about this being quick and held on to Robert thinking he would help speed things up despite his injury history and coming off literally his only full pro season with no injuries to speak of.

Either way, Robert was probably the biggest mistake of Getz's career since his last promotion. They rode him from a superstar to a post hype prospect return, when it could have been way different.

2 - if he actually "believed the hype", he wasn't wrong. They're within 2 games of 1st place on May 1. A 6-WAR CF sure would help this team. Too bad Robert didn't hold up his end, plummeted his own value, and Getz had to get what he could. Getz got rotten lemons, and he crafted a lemonade-cider invention that is going to redefine the industry. It's actually quite the accomplishment, turning JR into a sooth-sayer, and getting what he could for a failed Robert. Certainly worthy of the FIFA Peace Prize.

18 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

2 - if he actually "believed the hype", he wasn't wrong. They're within 2 games of 1st place on May 1. A 6-WAR CF sure would help this team. Too bad Robert didn't hold up his end, plummeted his own value, and Getz had to get what he could. Getz got rotten lemons, and he crafted a lemonade-cider invention that is going to redefine the industry. It's actually quite the accomplishment, turning JR into a sooth-sayer, and getting what he could for a failed Robert. Certainly worthy of the FIFA Peace Prize.

And the overall quality of the AL Central compared to the rest of MLB?

KC and Minnesota?

If taking a chance with Murakami is redefining the industry, then ok.

If they pony up $300 million combined for Itoh and Sato, I'll certainly start to agree with your cheerleadery hyperbole.

Edited 19 hours ago19 hr by caulfield12

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

And the overall quality of the AL Central compared to the rest of MLB?

KC and Minnesota?

If taking a chance with Murakami is redefining the industry, then ok.

If they pony up $300 million combined for Itoh and Sato, I'll certainly start to agree with your cheerleadery hyperbole.

Not only did Getz run the front office as Director of Development, but he's now responsible for ALL 30 TEAMS!!! You guys sure give him a lot of credit. LOL. You are predisposed to not agreeing with me. You mocked me, saying the Sox would never be in on any Japanese players. But they were. "Yeah, but, yeah, but" is a weird way of admitting you were wrong. Let me know when they start giving out World Series trophies for signing random Japanese players.