2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Man I was flipping through some old drafts last night and the Sox have drafted pretty damn well outside of Vaughn and maybe that was more on the development side anyways. We've gotten more studs out of the first round than 2/3 of the teams in the last 6 or so years.

In 20 and 21 after whiffing on Vaughn they got Garrett and Colson as their FRP and both guys are absolute studs. Then they got Noah in 23 and Gonzo in 24. Even Gonzo is looking like he might be a useful player now.

Really great top of the draft picks whatever else Hahn was doing he had a good draft method going.

Mike Shirley deserves majority of the credit for the strong drafts since taking over. His draft classes are 2020-present.

Nick Hostetler was the SD before that, and if you ask me he was a disaster.

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Rushing Vaughn and Crochet to the majors was such unforgiveable sins. Can you imagine having six full years of Garrett as a starter? Or getting a starter at 1B out of Vaughn? So many unforced errors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen%27s_race

6 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Man I was flipping through some old drafts last night and the Sox have drafted pretty damn well outside of Vaughn and maybe that was more on the development side anyways. We've gotten more studs out of the first round than 2/3 of the teams in the last 6 or so years.

In 20 and 21 after whiffing on Vaughn they got Garrett and Colson as their FRP and both guys are absolute studs. Then they got Noah in 23 and Gonzo in 24. Even Gonzo is looking like he might be a useful player now.

Really great top of the draft picks whatever else Hahn was doing he had a good draft method going.

You can credit Mike Shirley for this. He's been in charge from 2020 onwards. He's very good. If you want to get into some of the rumors/dirt, Jacob Gonzalez was supposedly dictated by Haber, and Hagen Smith was a Getz selection. Believe what you will though.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by DirtySox

27 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

You can credit Mike Shirley for this. He's been in charge from 2020 onwards. He's very good. If you want to get into some of the rumors/dirt, Jacob Gonzalez was supposedly dictated by Haber, and Hagen Smith was a Getz selection. Believe what you will though.

Gonzalez made sense in that he was from a winning program at Ole Miss and they were (eventually) trying to turn around a losing culture, but the high upside tools were just never there in the beginning to justify it.

And likely still aren't...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Major_League_Baseball_draft

Cags Wetherholt and Griffin are going to be beaten to death, but JJ also had his limitations as a future 2B as well as the injury concerns at WVU.

Cags hasn't realized his power potential yet...at least not in "in game" situations.

Bad luck on the front side missing on #2 Chase Burns and #4 Kurtz as well.

(Maybe Nick Kurtz wasn't even a possibility after Vaughn? Also not yet convinced Bazzana or Condon will have meaningful big league careers either, but we shall see.)

At any rate, a good number of teams also missed on Griffin.

So the Sox now essentially have Mune instead of Kurtz and Colson/Roch or Emerson and Carlson instead of Griffin.

And then Braden was #12 there in that draft as well.

That's an acceptable trade off if if if:

1) They can extend those 2-3 guys AND

2) Spend $$$$ in FA or trade prospects to shore up the starting rotation with a legit frontline starter to go along with Davis Martin.

Then there's the lockout and a real dearth of FA pitchers who even qualify for Point 2, maybe Peralta King Imanaga, but none of those three are even close to guarantees, either.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by caulfield12