58 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Not teams who show their first signs of life. And certainly not with anywhere near their top 5 or 6 prospects.

The Dodgers have won a WS and they aren't heavy buyers; Braves aren't;; Yankees don't. Rays don't. Brewers don't.
Padres buy heavy; Phillies buy heavy. Baltimore bought Trevor Rogers at the deadline - what a disaster for Baltimore - and a boon for Miami.

And really, the successful teams buy on margins - fill out the pen; a depth piece.

Don't repeat the Hahn disasters.

Wait, what? The Dodgers do WHATEVER it takes to win. Trade deadline, offseason, international, etc.

Just now, southsider2k5 said:

Insanity. The dude is a walking time bomb owed over double what the biggest contract Jerry has ever issued is. Unless Anaheim is taking on about 90% of that contract, I am not interested.

60-75% is what it would take in reality if he still has a 900+ ops at midsummer.

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Most teams don't mortgage their future to get one level deeper in the playoffs. And most of the rich teams already have most of what they need. The Dodgers always have 16 pitchers coming off the IL and another 12 going on, so they always have fresh arms. A team like the Orioles looks to be at a weird point of their competitive curve, so they're finally spending some of their prospect capital.

The Orioles absolutely blew it in their window.

Just now, caulfield12 said:

60-75% is what it would take in reality if he still has a 900+ ops at midsummer.

When, not if, he goes on to the IL, it won't matter.

JJ Bleday sporting a 1.088 ops with the Reds but it's only around 50 at bats so far.

A number of people wanted him when he became available....

I say stand pat. The additions to this roster will be Kyle Teel in a week or two, then Braden Montgomery around the All Star break. Let's live and die with that until the off season when the priority should be pitching. I'd like to see signing some of the current players to contracts buying out their arbitration years if possible, but that won't even be considered until after a new CBA.

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The Orioles absolutely blew it in their window.

Not looking good right now...that's for sure.

Way too many injuries/non-performance issues outside of G.Henderson.

Stay the course, don't do anything rash, try to build a healthy organization set up for sustained winning for a change. Just enjoy the surprisingly compelling baseball while keeping an eye on the minors. We may be ahead of schedule - that's way more excitement than I expected out of this season.

well they're gonna have to make some decisions here in the next 12 months on guys like

Antonacci, Meidroth, Gonzalez, Romo, Quero, and in the next 24 months Colby Shelton, Caleb Bonemer, Boston Smith

Sox should already be trying some of these kids at other positions in the minors, if only to boost their value when it becomes time to move them in a trade

it doesn't help the team when you have 7 shortstops in the minors who only play the infield and the big league club has a packed infield with no possible openings outside of injuries

then you add Roch or Grady Emerson, more shortstops who don't play other positions. if Roch is picked, are they just gonna put him at 2B in Birmingham? how does that affect Meidroth?

I'm glad I'm not making these decisions

1 minute ago, joejoesox said:

well they're gonna have to make some decisions here in the next 12 months on guys like

Antonacci, Meidroth, Gonzalez, Romo, Quero, and in the next 24 months Colby Shelton, Caleb Bonemer, Boston Smith

Sox should already be trying some of these kids at other positions in the minors, if only to boost their value when it becomes time to move them in a trade

it doesn't help the team when you have 7 shortstops in the minors who only play the infield and the big league club has a packed infield with no possible openings outside of injuries

then you add Roch or Grady Emerson, more shortstops who don't play other positions. if Roch is picked, are they just gonna put him at 2B in Birmingham? how does that affect Meidroth?

I'm glad I'm not making these decisions

Just randomly thinking about this now: does anyone think this can impact which SS they take in the draft? Take the one that may be a few years away and possibly cheaper knowing they have a logjam at the MLB level, with even more infield talent coming up or the guy who you have to make room for it he hits as early as (maybe) next year?

I think I still prefer the guy who will helps us out sooner.

Edited Thursday at 07:02 PM2 days by Bob Sacamano

10 hours ago, Chimpton said:

Buyers to achieve what? To just qualify for the post season and then lose in the first series like the last time? Because this team isn't going to go all the way to the World Series as much as we would all love that.

If this rebuild is genuine they shouldn't try to run this season just because the AL Central is so weak and potentially harm the longer term development of the team.

It's a precarious position. Making the playoffs no matter what your record ,is a big deal. It generates revenue and for JR extra revenue is the only way he'll spend money. A good rest of the season will boost attendance and perhaps sponsors . You can't just ignore the business of baseball.

Playoffs means being on national TV and more exposure for products and the White Sox as a global product.

If you want the Sox to grow as a franchise and have more money to spend then you should want to make the playoff. You can't win a World Series without being in the playoffs.

In the past the Sox have had circumstances with good records that fell just short of the playoffs. It would be nice for a change for circumstances that allow the team to be in the hunt to be a champion. It's not like these opportunities come along very often.

What that means for the TDL is more complicated. Getz has not shown any inclination to trade top prospects. Thats depth. You need depth. But if they are in a strong position at the TDL do you really want to trade away the guys who have brought some stability to your pen like Dominguez or Hudson ? Your position in the upcoming draft is very strong. You might say ,just this once, that you play the hand you were dealt. Stay the course and see where it goes. No trades to just try to get marginally better that may hurt the course you have already set.

There's is a trade you can make if you can find a taker for an advanced CF prospect in a prospect for prospect trade. That's the good thing about stockpiling SS prospects .In order to get a primary position prospect you usually have to give one up. I honestly don't know who's out there that fits as a CF for the near the future but I'd like BMonty to be in RF asap but Im guessing he may see quite a bit of time in CF once he's up.

Who knows ,with Teel coming back and a strong whiff of Braden Montgomery that the Sox might smell a whole lot better and be approaching 90 wins at the end of the season.

Edited Thursday at 07:07 PM2 days by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Most teams don't mortgage their future to get one level deeper in the playoffs. And most of the rich teams already have most of what they need. The Dodgers always have 16 pitchers coming off the IL and another 12 going on, so they always have fresh arms. A team like the Orioles looks to be at a weird point of their competitive curve, so they're finally spending some of their prospect capital.

Yea, they traded a bunch of prospects for Trevor Rogers and Shane Baz (2025 #1, comp pick + for this guy). Yuck.
I can't think of any team that became great buying at the deadline. The Cubs may be the best example, but they were a mature team 1 piece away and they bought it.
That trade for Kimbrel - where would the Sox be had the Cubs chosen Crochet instead of Madrigal
Can't force anything.

11 hours ago, Chimpton said:

Buyers to achieve what? To just qualify for the post season and then lose in the first series like the last time? Because this team isn't going to go all the way to the World Series as much as we would all love that.

If this rebuild is genuine they shouldn't try to run this season just because the AL Central is so weak and potentially harm the longer term development of the team.

That's a very valid point of view in my opinion. I'd assume they'd go for it (assuming JR allows them to) but your comment has made me double-think the original position of mine.

16 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

well they're gonna have to make some decisions here in the next 12 months on guys like

Antonacci, Meidroth, Gonzalez, Romo, Quero, and in the next 24 months Colby Shelton, Caleb Bonemer, Boston Smith

Sox should already be trying some of these kids at other positions in the minors, if only to boost their value when it becomes time to move them in a trade

it doesn't help the team when you have 7 shortstops in the minors who only play the infield and the big league club has a packed infield with no possible openings outside of injuries

then you add Roch or Grady Emerson, more shortstops who don't play other positions. if Roch is picked, are they just gonna put him at 2B in Birmingham? how does that affect Meidroth?

I'm glad I'm not making these decisions

Fans spend way too much time obsessing about future moves as to how they it relates to the present.

In 12 to 24 months we have no idea how any of the current players or prospects will be performing.Some sink some swim and others who were invisible suddenly appear. What appears to be a glut of talent can thin out very quickly due to injuries and non performance.

The last rebuild did exactly that and most of their top draft picks fizzled out and they built no depth in other rounds of the draft or internationally. It all dried up very fast.

Getz has tried to rebuild the talent pipeline internationally with the new Dominican Academy and new blood in that part of the organization. We have no idea if they might finally actually get some players out of it but its extremely necessary to the future depth of talent moving forward.But the near future for that might not be productive since youre getting such young players. Its still in its infancy .

This is why we always hear that it's a good problem to have and teams like Tampa Bay navigate those waters better than anyone. We have no idea how long it'll be until the Ishbia's are the owners so its imperative that we keep building depth and keep the pipelines of talent acquisition running at a high level.

I'm not sure I understand this oft-stated (or implied) assumption that, because all the teams in the Central are bunched up around .500 in mid-May, somebody is clearly going to win the Central with around a .500 record in September. It's really early. I suspect some team in the Central is going to make a run and wind up with a decent record in the 90s, and I don't think the Sox are the most likely candidate to be that team.

11 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

I'm not sure I understand this oft-stated (or implied) assumption that, because all the teams in the Central are bunched up around .500 in mid-May, somebody is clearly going to win the Central with around a .500 record in September. It's really early. I suspect some team in the Central is going to make a run and wind up with a decent record in the 90s, and I don't think the Sox are the most likely candidate to be that team.

Really, that goes league wide. There will be teams that figure it out.

3 hours ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

This is very hyperbolic. Contending teams typically buy at the deadline. And the Brewers and Rays have never won a World Series as far as that goes.

As long as JR is still owner its not hyperbolic at all. The Rays stockpile prospects by investing in the things that don't cost a lot compared to contracts of superstar talent . Because of JR thats what Getz is trying to do.

Until that time when JR ceases to be owner they need to operate as if there isnt any money because JR will not spend what he doesn't have. It's the way he has always operated. Fans say spend money we'll show up when the team starts winning. JR says when you start showing up I' ll spend more money. All this has done is allow the city to become predominantly apathethic about the Sox and younger generations of fans gravitate towards the Cubs because they are a tourist attraction for locals and out of towners.

When Ishbia is in charge maybe by then the Sox might have a functioning pipeline of talent that will allow Ishbia to spend money smartly instead of recklessly like the Mets or Angels.

30 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

I'm not sure I understand this oft-stated (or implied) assumption that, because all the teams in the Central are bunched up around .500 in mid-May, somebody is clearly going to win the Central with around a .500 record in September. It's really early. I suspect some team in the Central is going to make a run and wind up with a decent record in the 90s, and I don't think the Sox are the most likely candidate to be that team.

Well you're in it until you aren't. And right now the Sox are in it and Im not going to count them out when it appears that a record with 80 something wins could win the division or get a wild card.

If you suspect 90 something wins actually happens then ,hey, the Sox still outperformed expectancies. If not ,you wouldnt be the first fan around here to expect things to turn out one way and then they don't. The same thing goes for this assumption that the division is ripe for the taking.

Edited Thursday at 08:18 PM2 days by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Fans spend way too much time obsessing about future moves as to how they it relates to the present.

In 12 to 24 months we have no idea how any of the current players or prospects will be performing.Some sink some swim and others who were invisible suddenly appear. What appears to be a glut of talent can thin out very quickly due to injuries and non performance.

The last rebuild did exactly that and most of their top draft picks fizzled out and they built no depth in other rounds of the draft or internationally. It all dried up very fast.

Getz has tried to rebuild the talent pipeline internationally with the new Dominican Academy and new blood in that part of the organization. We have no idea if they might finally actually get some players out of it but its extremely necessary to the future depth of talent moving forward.But the near future for that might not be productive since youre getting such young players. Its still in its infancy .

This is why we always hear that it's a good problem to have and teams like Tampa Bay navigate those waters better than anyone. We have no idea how long it'll be until the Ishbia's are the owners so its imperative that we keep building depth and keep the pipelines of talent acquisition running at a high level.

yeah I understand, if some of these prospects bust out then they're no longer in the equation, 100% get that

I'm talking about in the situation where you don't know how good they'll be because they haven't even made the big league club yet, they should've been seeing which guys can move around the field defensively so they can plug them into other spots like CF

honestly, if they don't extend murakami, that would at least open up 1B/3B since Vargas can play there

Do not absolutely require All Stars at every position to win (i.e., the '05 WSox with Rowand, Iguchi, Pods, Crede, Uribe) . They have enough Star players and complimentary players to win right now. Players like Antonacci, Peters, Hill, Meidroth and Romo round out and compliment a line-up with bigger names. Add Hagen Smith and maybe another arm for the rotation, a Closer and possibly Braden if he is ready. and this team should compete for the Division.

32 minutes ago, tray said:

Do not absolutely require All Stars at every position to win (i.e., the '05 WSox with Rowand, Iguchi, Pods, Crede, Uribe) . They have enough Star players and complimentary players to win right now. Players like Antonacci, Peters, Hill, Meidroth and Romo round out and compliment a line-up with bigger names. Add Hagen Smith and maybe another arm for the rotation, a Closer and possibly Braden if he is ready. and this team should compete for the Division.

Smith is not even close to ready....

41 minutes ago, tray said:

Do not absolutely require All Stars at every position to win (i.e., the '05 WSox with Rowand, Iguchi, Pods, Crede, Uribe) . They have enough Star players and complimentary players to win right now. Players like Antonacci, Peters, Hill, Meidroth and Romo round out and compliment a line-up with bigger names. Add Hagen Smith and maybe another arm for the rotation, a Closer and possibly Braden if he is ready. and this team should compete for the Division.

You should absolutely try to upgrade over guys when you have to/can though. Especially when the roster is cheap. Something stupid the last rebuild didn't do.

Trout would be a terrible move for the Sox. We can't leverage our bright future for a declining, overly expensive veteran. Kenny Williams would do it though.

4 minutes ago, Green Line said:

Trout would be a terrible move for the Sox. We can't leverage our bright future for a declining, overly expensive veteran. Kenny Williams would do it though.

It would pretty much have to be a salary dump and us not spending too much prospect capital but I agree. I do not want. He's been breaking down the last few years and at 34, not going uphill from here.

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Smith is not even close to ready....

I agree and I hate to say, Noah has likewise not looked very good in his last two starts. Maybe let the big guy keep slinging for a few games and see if he can cut down on walks before considering a demotion. Sox really need Noah as a staple in the rotation to compete this year. I am behind him 100%. A great kid from a great family.