Sox pitching wasn't great but this is bad timing . until Thursday the Phillies have had great difficulty in scoring runs . the broadcaster said something about going a long time without scoring more than 4 runs.

12 hours ago, wegner said:

He sure did today...and my guess is you have further stats to support your general argument 😁

The question always is how do you fan ? Do you want to live in the present and enjoy what is happening or do you have to think you know everything and let everyone know things are not that great.

The Sox have players, like every team does, whose stats do not support their meaningfulness to the team or their contribution. In terms of wins and losses and even surface stats like ERA Kay has been very good. The Sox win more than they lose when he pitches . He walks a tightrope out there and other stats reflect that like his WHIP and FIP. This is usually perceived as a way to say his luck won't last, much like Peters BABIP .

Kay is like the Seranthony Dominquez of the starting pitchers. He just had a string of very good starts in May that lowered his ERA to 3.77 which is very respectable for a 3rd or 4th starter. Most of the time, 10 of 12 starts before this one, the results have not only kept the Sox in most games but allowed them to win a good portion of them . Sox were 8-4 in his starts and with May being a great month for the Sox, it was also a great month for Kay and Peters.

As a manager you like pitchers who give you a good chance to win ALMOST every game. He's also a veteran arm that even when he pitches poorly the manager will leave him out to die to try and save the pen as much as possible. These days that's 5 or 6 innings .On a team that is trying to infuse young arms into the rotation it's imperative to have veteran pitchers eat innings even when they struggle. Kay's WHIP and pitch count get elevated but if he can hang in there for 5 or 6 innings it's helpful.

So to say he stinks without looking at the broader aspect of how the team plays when he pitches and his function in the broader team concept ignores pretty much everything and just focuses on the poster letting you know he knows everything about the future and your good feelings won't last.

The starting pitching has been disappointing on the road and the upcoming teams are very good teams. The Sox will just have to win their homes games and try to hang without losing too many on the road while they navigate their way through injuries. Looking at the big picture helps rather than concentrating on who stinks every game and who doesn't.

Sox probably end up around .500 on the season but maybe guys come back from injuries and propel them higher. If there's one thing I know there's not a lot of people very good at predicting the future. A season is full of surprises good and bad. With a young exciting team on the rise there's a lot to like and look forward to.

22 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

The question always is how do you fan ? Do you want to live in the present and enjoy what is happening or do you have to think you know everything and let everyone know things are not that great.

The Sox have players, like every team does, whose stats do not support their meaningfulness to the team or their contribution. In terms of wins and losses and even surface stats like ERA Kay has been very good. The Sox win more than they lose when he pitches . He walks a tightrope out there and other stats reflect that like his WHIP and FIP. This is usually perceived as a way to say his luck won't last, much like Peters BABIP .

Kay is like the Seranthony Dominquez of the starting pitchers. He just had a string of very good starts in May that lowered his ERA to 3.77 which is very respectable for a 3rd or 4th starter. Most of the time, 10 of 12 starts before this one, the results have not only kept the Sox in most games but allowed them to win a good portion of them . Sox were 8-4 in his starts and with May being a great month for the Sox, it was also a great month for Kay and Peters.

As a manager you like pitchers who give you a good chance to win ALMOST every game. He's also a veteran arm that even when he pitches poorly the manager will leave him out to die to try and save the pen as much as possible. These days that's 5 or 6 innings .On a team that is trying to infuse young arms into the rotation it's imperative to have veteran pitchers eat innings even when they struggle. Kay's WHIP and pitch count get elevated but if he can hang in there for 5 or 6 innings it's helpful.

So to say he stinks without looking at the broader aspect of how the team plays when he pitches and his function in the broader team concept ignores pretty much everything and just focuses on the poster letting you know he knows everything about the future and your good feelings won't last.

The starting pitching has been disappointing on the road and the upcoming teams are very good teams. The Sox will just have to win their homes games and try to hang without losing too many on the road while they navigate their way through injuries. Looking at the big picture helps rather than concentrating on who stinks every game and who doesn't.

Sox probably end up around .500 on the season but maybe guys come back from injuries and propel them higher. If there's one thing I know there's not a lot of people very good at predicting the future. A season is full of surprises good and bad. With a young exciting team on the rise there's a lot to like and look forward to.

A great way to fan is to pretend that if you were GM, you would only sign sure-fire hall-of-famers and immediately cut every player who wasn't that. It took Kay putting up 6 good-very good, solid starts for us to start trusting him and to pay rapt attention. At which point, he allows 6 runs in 4 IP against a perennial playoff team.

This team was built to challenge .500. They might be a little better than that, with more help on the way. This was always going to be the year they had to work up to finding out what they have in Schultz, Hagen Smith, McDougal, Taylor, Martin, Shane Smith, Sandlin and Burke before they start adding. As you said, guys like Fedde and Kay are there to eat innings and spare the bullpen. I sure would like to feel more confident when Kay starts instead of looking up after 6, and seeing the Sox up 6-2, the 2 coming on a 2-run, 1st inning HR. But this is where we are.

If Acuña can consistently get that little bit of elevation as he did on that double, he can probably dig his way out and achieve replacement player status.

Two dudes typing essays to defend a bad signing of a bad pitcher.

Once again, Ray Ray is right. Kay stinks.

And I didn’t need to type 500 words to make my point. 🤣

47 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Two dudes typing essays to defend a bad signing of a bad pitcher.

Once again, Ray Ray is right. Kay stinks.

And I didn’t need to type 500 words to make my point. 🤣

Are you trying to tell people how to Soxtalk? 😎