1 minute ago, ron883 said:

So we traded for a pitcher who is worth -1.0 bWAR. He was worth -0.7bWAR when we traded for him. He was one of the worst pitchers in the league when we traded for him and he continues to be one of the worst. He is 33 years old. He is under contract for $24 million next session. The guy we traded isn't a blue chip prospect, but he's on fire, leads the minors in OPS and appears to have a legit bat.

Minus Sir Anthony's contract, we owe him $14m next season. That is literally 15% of our current payroll. We have a notoriously cheap owner.

But somehow you can't see how that was a bad trade. I'm assuming you're trolling at this point with the senseless positivity.

I'm assuming you're trolling, actually. Senseless? The team's in first place. Their winning pct is better after the TDL than before.

Why do you need me to validate your narrative? The team obviously had a plan on how to change his pitch selection. He needs to execute. All the rest is meaningless. I don't care how much money Jerry Reinsdorf pays these guys. I find it's the guys who scream about how cheap JR is that suddenly scream about JR spending money. Y'all scream when he doesn't spend money, then y'all scream when he takes money on. Pick a lane.

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I'm assuming you're trolling, actually. Senseless? The team's in first place. Their winning pct is better after the TDL than before.

Why do you need me to validate your narrative? The team obviously had a plan on how to change his pitch selection. He needs to execute. All the rest is meaningless. I don't care how much money Jerry Reinsdorf pays these guys. I find it's the guys who scream about how cheap JR is that suddenly scream about JR spending money. Y'all scream when he doesn't spend money, then y'all scream when he takes money on. Pick a lane.

46 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Lane C

An actual star.

See Machado 2019 Harper Z.Wheeler, etc.

Unfortunately, Skubal is it for for FA.

But there's always Sato and two Japanese starters.

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

I'm assuming you're trolling, actually. Senseless? The team's in first place. Their winning pct is better after the TDL than before.

Why do you need me to validate your narrative? The team obviously had a plan on how to change his pitch selection. He needs to execute. All the rest is meaningless. I don't care how much money Jerry Reinsdorf pays these guys. I find it's the guys who scream about how cheap JR is that suddenly scream about JR spending money. Y'all scream when he doesn't spend money, then y'all scream when he takes money on. Pick a lane.

You keep doing this but tying the Sox winning percentage to Castillo is ridiculous. He isn’t helping and the team is winning despite his awful performances. You know this as well, yet you keep making this nonsensical argument. Yes, it can still be a bad trade just because the Sox are in first place.

Also, no one wants Jerry to continue paying for old washed-up has-been’s and retreads that are nearing retirement. This has been the Sox way for ages. Lip makes this argument all the time and he’s right. Baseball is a young man’s game. Stop acquiring the James Shields of baseball that are on the steps to retirement.

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by WhiteSox2023

51 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You keep doing this but tying the Sox winning percentage to Castillo is ridiculous. He isn’t helping and the team is winning despite his awful performances. You know this as well, yet you keep making this nonsensical argument. Yes, it can still be a bad trade just because the Sox are in first place.

Also, no one wants Jerry to continue paying for old washed-up has-been’s and retreads that are nearing retirement. This has been the Sox way for ages. Lip makes this argument all the time and he’s right. Baseball is a young man’s game. Stop acquiring the James Shields of baseball that are on the steps to retirement.

Hopefully this Castillo guy can find the lost magic. He's likely to be the guy that opens the playoff series. Can't afford him to get rocked.

8 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Hopefully this Castillo guy can find the lost magic. He's likely to be the guy that opens the playoff series. Can't afford him to get rocked.

Burke as of today

4 hours ago, ron883 said:

"I posted a gif of somebody laughing. Therefore, that invalidates your argument. Tee-hee."

Be better.

2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You keep doing this but tying the Sox winning percentage to Castillo is ridiculous. He isn’t helping and the team is winning despite his awful performances. You know this as well, yet you keep making this nonsensical argument. Yes, it can still be a bad trade just because the Sox are in first place.

Also, no one wants Jerry to continue paying for old washed-up has-been’s and retreads that are nearing retirement. This has been the Sox way for ages. Lip makes this argument all the time and he’s right. Baseball is a young man’s game. Stop acquiring the James Shields of baseball that are on the steps to retirement.

We don't know if it's a bad trade. Was Miguel Vargas a bad trade? You certainly told us it was, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, and you know what? You were wrong each time you did that. Because they didn't trade for a prospect to plug him in and have him bat .400. They wanted a hitting prospect who they could work with. Same with Castillo. They're working with him on pitch selection, probably a few tweaks to his delivery. They're going to make the post-season. Maybe they get him repurposed by then.

You screaming at the first 5 games is ridiculous. Keep doing it, I don't care. But that's not an accurate reading of the trade.

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

We don't know if it's a bad trade. Was Miguel Vargas a bad trade? You certainly told us it was, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, and you know what? You were wrong each time you did that. Because they didn't trade for a prospect to plug him in and have him bat .400. They wanted a hitting prospect who they could work with. Same with Castillo. They're working with him on pitch selection, probably a few tweaks to his delivery. They're going to make the post-season. Maybe they get him repurposed by then.

You screaming at the first 5 games is ridiculous. Keep doing it, I don't care. But that's not an accurate reading of the trade.

Vargas was just 24-25 and a year removed from Top 100 lists, Castillo on the descent side of his 30’s and paid far more than his production level. 2022-23 were his last objectively strong/solid seasons.

Two totally different trades.

It doesn’t automatically mean that they have the Midas touch all of a sudden.

Especially with pitching.

Edited 10 hours ago10 hr by caulfield12

3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Vargas was just 24-25 and a year removed from Top 100 lists, Castillo on the descent side of his 30’s and paid far more than his production level. 2022-23 were his last objectively strong/solid seasons.

Two totally different trades.

It doesn’t automatically mean that they have the Midas touch all of a sudden.

Especially with pitching.

And if they did have the Midas touch with pitching, Castillo may have never been needed in the first place. See Shane Smith, Schultz, Cannon, Sandlin, etc.

53 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

And if they did have the Midas touch with pitching, Castillo may have never been needed in the first place. See Shane Smith, Schultz, Cannon, Sandlin, etc.

Now the argument will be turned around to starters are unimportant.

They can just turn McDougal Hagen Shane and Noah into a super pen....despite not really producing any major league relievers from draft to pen in 2026 except for Pallette.

Hagen Smith will be deemed a "development victory" despite an unsustainable 10 walks in 11 ip with a 1-5 pick.

You can probably add 2026 pick Volchko with his unorthodox delivery.

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by caulfield12

9 hours ago, WestEddy said:

"I posted a gif of somebody laughing. Therefore, that invalidates your argument. Tee-hee."

Be better.

You're using the teams record to insinuate that a trade for a pitcher who has been worth a whopping -0.3 WAR in 5 starts wasn't a bad trade. You aren't being serious, so I didn't give a serious response.

Be better.

4 minutes ago, ron883 said:

You're using the teams record to insinuate that a trade for a pitcher who has been worth a whopping -0.3 WAR in 5 starts wasn't a bad trade. You aren't being serious, so I didn't give a serious response.

Be better.

It's completely unserious to judge this trade after 5 starts.

12 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You keep doing this but tying the Sox winning percentage to Castillo is ridiculous. He isn’t helping and the team is winning despite his awful performances. You know this as well, yet you keep making this nonsensical argument. Yes, it can still be a bad trade just because the Sox are in first place.

Also, no one wants Jerry to continue paying for old washed-up has-been’s and retreads that are nearing retirement. This has been the Sox way for ages. Lip makes this argument all the time and he’s right. Baseball is a young man’s game. Stop acquiring the James Shields of baseball that are on the steps to retirement.

You mean like Ken Griffey, Jr. ? 😂

2 hours ago, tray said:

You mean like Ken Griffey, Jr. ? 😂

Band-aid solutions with big name vets on the decline.

KW Specials

Just now, WestEddy said:

It's completely unserious to judge this trade after 5 starts.

We have a whole season worth of data from him. He's been absolute dogshit the entire year. He's also 33 and his stuff is declining.

It's completely unserious to ignore his track record for the entire year.

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2 minutes ago, ron883 said:

We have a whole season worth of data from him. He's been absolute dogshit the entire year.

It's completely unserious to ignore his track record for the entire year.

I will never understand how they thought he would work out well here