August 5Aug 5 Doyle did have a 779 ops the second half of 2025, but then everything really fell apart this season…
August 5Aug 5 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:Doyle did have a 779 ops the second half of 2025, but then everything really fell apart this season…From what I could find he was playing through some injuries this year at times and we are supposedly getting back at 100% health.I really think Fuller will make some adjustments to help him start driving the ball in the air again soon.I’m now at the Forest Gump moment of this thread… “That’s about all I’ve got to say about that.”
August 6Aug 6 On 8/4/2026 at 10:44 AM, southsider2k5 said:I would assume that is his point.He already admitted (before your post) that it was lazy stat work by him not some profound statement on cherry picking. Oops. Do you really have to stick up for the most negative Sox opinions because you've been that way for the last few years and have trouble seeing that the Sox might be a contender before your 2030 statement at one point ? You're already dead on that hill but maybe the Sox will collapse in the 2nd half and have a bad 2027 and 2028 and you'll be happy and right .
August 6Aug 6 24 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:He already admitted (before your post) that it was lazy stat work by him not some profound statement on cherry picking. Oops. Do you really have to stick up for the most negative Sox opinions because you've been that way for the last few years and have trouble seeing that the Sox might be a contender before your 2030 statement at one point ? You're already dead on that hill but maybe the Sox will collapse in the 2nd half and have a bad 2027 and 2028 and you'll be happy and right .Your need for my approval is astounding.
August 6Aug 6 Thinking some about that Early/Mead trade. Early was the 10th rated prospect in Boston's system last season prior to his debut and has pitched quite well in the MLB so far (regression to be expected). Adams was 12th in our system, is three years older and has a 2 point higher ERA at AAA. Pretty easy to say that Early has more trade value than Adams but are in a similar tier.How much better of a player is Mead than Doyle? Mead has obviously had a very nice season at the plate but went into the season with career negative WAR and doesn't have a true position. He is one of the worst infield defenders in MLB. Doyle has ~5ish WAR, plays GG caliber defense at a much more important position but has been dreadful at the plate this season and the first half of last.Have to think Mead is probably a bit more valuable at this moment in time, but these seem like fairly similar trades to me, former top prospects who have struggled to take hold in MLB traded for controllable, mid-rotation type guys. Difference is Mead and Connelly have done something in MLB this season compared to the other two. Boston also trades from a position of pitching depth relative to our Sox who could use some rotation help, but it's hard to see Mead in Boston's longterm plans except as a Yoshida DH replacement. Doyle doesn't have to do a whole lot to be the Sox starting CF for years to come. If he hits ~.700ish OPS and normalizes his splits vR, you probably have an every day GG center fielder producing 4ish WAR. That isn't a huge ask. Adams would have to turn out to be a better pitcher than Martin to match that production. What are the odds of either of these things happening? I bet they're reasonably close in probability.
August 12Aug 12 Probably a bit premature to post this, but Doyle just might be a dude. He’s been pretty impressive showing some pop, speed, and excellent defense. If Peters doesn’t get it going again, Doyle has been an everyday player in his career and probably deserves to get back to being an everyday player with the Sox.
August 12Aug 12 54 minutes ago, mmmmmbeeer said:Probably a bit premature to post this, but Doyle just might be a dude. He’s been pretty impressive showing some pop, speed, and excellent defense. If Peters doesn’t get it going again, Doyle has been an everyday player in his career and probably deserves to get back to being an everyday player with the Sox.I expected to see him take a couple weeks to lift and pull one out but he took half that time. Ahead of schedule. He keeps this up and shows improvement until the winter, then it will be time to consider this a success and pencil him in as our starting center fielder or potential platoon.Also depends on which Peters closes out the year… this Peters, first half Peters, or some blend of both.
August 12Aug 12 I didn't realize he was a hulk. If the Sox get this guy going with the bat it will be a welcome site.
16 hours ago16 hr Adams and Vielma both killing it. This trade was the biggest head scratcher for me. How the f*** does Doyle command that much? He was literally one of the worst players in the league.
16 hours ago16 hr 8 minutes ago, ron883 said:Adams and Vielma both killing it. This trade was the biggest head scratcher for me. How the f*** does Doyle command that much? He was literally one of the worst players in the league.This trade was a stinker. It’s very hard to believe that the Sox are a better team right now with Doyle on the team as opposed to Adams and one of Hays/Pereira.
14 hours ago14 hr 1 hour ago, ron883 said:Adams and Vielma both killing it. This trade was the biggest head scratcher for me. How the f*** does Doyle command that much? He was literally one of the worst players in the league.How has Adams since the trade? Haven’t checked yet.
13 hours ago13 hr 22 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:How has Adams since the trade? Haven’t checked yet.Good, but a few innings doesn’t change the fact that Adams and one of Hays/Pereira on this team would be better than Doyle right now, before the trade was made and now. Edited 13 hours ago13 hr by WhiteSox2023
6 hours ago6 hr Vielma had his 17th birthday last week. This is a Tatis - like trade all over again. And, the Rockies just wanted to get rid of Doyle. They needed the roster spot for a couple young players. Someone take him, please. Please. Enter Getz and his crack scouting staff. Just 8 months earlier, give or take, Sox gave Vielma $400,000 to sign. All he did was hit. "We gotta trade this guy. We need an outfielder who can't hit, as long as he's a right-handed hitter. What? What?? You say you need a pitcher, too. No problem, we'll include Mason Adams. But that's it. You can't have any more."
6 hours ago6 hr I'm not done yet. I saw the Boston Smith trade coming. I just didn't predict the details, but I figured someone would get him from Getz. It happened. But the Vielma give away plan? This one surprised me. There was just no reason for it.
3 hours ago3 hr 2 hours ago, oldsox said:I'm not done yet. I saw the Boston Smith trade coming. I just didn't predict the details, but I figured someone would get him from Getz. It happened. But the Vielma give away plan? This one surprised me. There was just no reason for it.It’s likely not going to turn out well. If Doyle doesn’t figure out how to hit again, he could be in non-tender territory after next season.
3 hours ago3 hr 3 hours ago, oldsox said:Vielma had his 17th birthday last week. This is a Tatis - like trade all over again. And, the Rockies just wanted to get rid of Doyle. They needed the roster spot for a couple young players. Someone take him, please. Please. Enter Getz and his crack scouting staff. Just 8 months earlier, give or take, Sox gave Vielma $400,000 to sign. All he did was hit. "We gotta trade this guy. We need an outfielder who can't hit, as long as he's a right-handed hitter. What? What?? You say you need a pitcher, too. No problem, we'll include Mason Adams. But that's it. You can't have any more."Carrigg is the main reason Doyle is expendable...along with him hitting his arbitration years.McCarthy is well over an 800 ops (another Sox miss) and Moniak has been another pleasant surprise to go along with Goodman.Ofc the Mariners were also in a pickle with Castillo too expensive and also bumped out of their rotation with Anderson/Sloan coming on strong.Should have gotten him for 25% off his salary, period...forget about Dominguez, who they could actually use again with the bullpen leaking like a sieve. Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by caulfield12
1 hour ago1 hr 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:Carrigg is the main reason Doyle is expendable...along with him hitting his arbitration years.McCarthy is well over an 800 ops (another Sox miss) and Moniak has been another pleasant surprise to go along with Goodman.Ofc the Mariners were also in a pickle with Castillo too expensive and also bumped out of their rotation with Anderson/Sloan coming on strong.Should have gotten him for 25% off his salary, period...forget about Dominguez, who they could actually use again with the bullpen leaking like a sieve.Zac Veen is the other young outfielder they just brought up. They really needed to get Doyle off their roster.
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