30 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Smith is now #10-12 in the top rated Mariners' farm system.

They would probably argue that getting Robbie Ray by merely adding his salary shouldn't have been all that difficult.

The Mize trade probably would required Hagen and/or McDougal and Detroit was unlikely to trade him to the Sox unless they beat the SD offer by 15-25%

They still could have at least tried for Eric Lauer or Bieber, though.

Ok, by overall scouting grade of 45 Boston Smith would've landed somewhere between 9 and 12 in our system. Smith is 13 on Pipeline in the Seattle system.

Robbie Ray cost the Padres #4 and #9 prospects, and SF is eating half of his remaining salary (~$4m). Miguel Mendez is 16th in SF's system now with an overall of 45, and Joniel Hernandez is 22nd with an overall of 40. That would be something like Bergolla (#10) or Sandlin (#11) and anyone from #12-#20 in our system, with the Sox eating all the remaining salary to top that deal, or maybe including both Bergolla and Sandlin, or one of Hagen Smith/McDougal/Fauske.

Are you doing that deal for 10-ish starts of Robbie Ray?

The Dodgers didn't trade Lauer, and why would they? He can serve as a swingman or starter as they need. Beiber's been pretty awful. Almost a run and a half worse than Castillo by FIP.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by almagest

This feels like how 2020 would have gone with a full schedule

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Can’t go as long as they did without using him. And even yesterday, they should have used him as opener for Martin.

They were obviously hiding him and didn't want to use him and kind of ran out of options with the early exit of Martin.

59 minutes ago, almagest said:

Ok, by overall scouting grade of 45 Boston Smith would've landed somewhere between 9 and 12 in our system. Smith is 13 on Pipeline in the Seattle system.

Robbie Ray cost the Padres #4 and #9 prospects, and SF is eating half of his remaining salary (~$4m). Miguel Mendez is 16th in SF's system now with an overall of 45, and Joniel Hernandez is 22nd with an overall of 40. That would be something like Bergolla (#10) or Sandlin (#11) and anyone from #12-#20 in our system, with the Sox eating all the remaining salary to top that deal, or maybe including both Bergolla and Sandlin, or one of Hagen Smith/McDougal/Fauske.

Are you doing that deal for 10-ish starts of Robbie Ray?

The Dodgers didn't trade Lauer, and why would they? He can serve as a swingman or starter as they need. Beiber's been pretty awful. Almost a run and a half worse than Castillo by FIP.

In either scenario the Sox should have picked up the contract and send a lot less in return.

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

In either scenario the Sox should have picked up the contract and send a lot less in return.

They weren't getting that much of a prospect discount for $4m of Ray's salary. Castillo they would have been able to get for less, but eating money directly is different than including a major league reliever who has a history of some success. I don't think the discount would be as big as you're thinking here.