Mr. Showtime Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 This makes me sick. :puke Thanks to the New York Yankees, the ante just got higher in the high-stakes poker game for Seattle starting pitcher Freddy Garcia. The question now is whether the Sox will stay in or fold. According to several publications in New York and Seattle, the Yankees are willing to package struggling pitcher Jose Contreras to the Mariners for Garcia. The sticking point in the deal is how much of Contreras' four-year, $32 million contract New York is willing to pick up. Seattle, along with the Yankees and Boston, had been in the bidding for Contreras after he defected from Cuba in 2002. Garcia is a free agent at the end of this season. Entering Friday night's start against the Sox with a 3-3 record and 3.01 ERA, he is one of the most coveted pitchers available at this point of the season. The Red Sox also have expressed an interest in Garcia, but with a payroll that is all but tapped out, it's unlikely they will stay in the running. White Sox general manager Ken Williams has spent much of the past two weeks trying to get a deal done for a starting pitcher. "If there are any bullets to fire, I'm going to fire them at (adding) pitching," Williams said Thursday. One major league scout said the Sox have been looking at Garcia closely the past two weeks. The scout also indicated there have been several Mariners scouts watching the Sox's Triple-A team. "There's no question that there are talks going on," the scout said. "It seems like it's just a matter of getting the right players in the mix." Seattle, which entered Friday's action in last place — 13½ games behind the first-place Anaheim Angels — in the American League West, appears to be interested in pitcher Jon Rauch, but the Mariners also are believed to be seeking a combination of young hitters from the Sox. Outfielder Joe Borchard, the Sox's first-round pick in the 2000 draft, may be one player on Seattle's list. According to the scout, Williams has told Seattle that top prospect Jeremy Reed, an outfielder, is an "untouchable" at this point. "Kenny would love to get a deal done sooner than later," the scout said. "The longer it drags on, the higher the asking price will get (for Garcia). That's when New York becomes the favorite." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 f***ing Spankees always sticking their noses in our business. Way to start a bidding war assholes!!! :fyou NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Well thats the end of us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 It makes sense that they would though cause they are really hurting on their starting pitching after losing Clemens, Pettite and Wells in the off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Damnit...I want Garcia...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted June 5, 2004 Author Share Posted June 5, 2004 The whole thing just makes me sick. There's this notion that the Yankees are really making a huge sacrafice in giving up on Contreras, who if nobody has noticed, blows. The fact that M's GM would even consider this trade makes me feel like the Sox can give up s*** to get Garica. There's no point to trading Garica if the guy your getting in Contreras makes a lot of money as well. I know the Yankees would pay some of his salary, but still no logic at all. If Seattle just wants a bad pitcher who makes a lot of cash they can have Billy Koch, that should get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 no, i think we could still get him. They'd rather have minor league TALENT than contrares... at least i hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Uh-oh. I hate the Yankees. I still have a feeling KW can pull this off. I have a great feeling about this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 no, i think we could still get him. They'd rather have minor league TALENT than contrares... at least i hope so Well if minor league talent is what they want, we definitely have a few options. While the Yanks have.....well...NONE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 If Boston can't afford Freddy at this point, maybe they will help block the deal to NY like they helped block Colon to NY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Sea. won't take on Contrera's $16 mill salary for the next two years. They already have SP. Sea. needs offense. NY doesn't have the offense Sea. needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Supposedly the Mariners are going young. If the do the 'proposed' Spakees trade, it'll be another team who seems to think it is an honor to be screwed by the Spanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 I don't see what the big deal is. Although the M's had wanted Contreras originally, right now, he sucks, AND is overpaid. Bad combo for a bad, cash strapped team. Unless the Yanks paid all his salary for the durationof the contract, I don't see that deal happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 I agree.. If Kenny plays this smart, he can easily outgun the Yanks without having to give up too much. They have no minor league system. The only problem I can forsee is Garcia's contract $$. The Yanks would take his whole salary, while the Sox would want Seattle to pay a portion of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 The Yanks would take his whole salary, while the Sox would want Seattle to pay a portion of it. I don't think that's even an issue. We'd have to give up some good stuff to have Seattle also eat some of his contract. I don't see that happening at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 If they are offering Contreras, then all I'm going to say is the Mariners would be foolish to turn down the Sox offer. The Mariners would be taking on at least part of a long term deal and wouldn't be getting anything for their future. A package of rauch and Borchard would be superior to that, although I'd hope the Sox could somehow do it without giving up Joey B. Good to see Reed is untouchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 If Seattle is dumb enough to take JC them screw em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Kenny has a choice to make; does he give in and give up Borchard now and get Garcia for two extra months, or does he wait and see if he can get Garica cheaper in late July? Lots of choices... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Kenny has a choice to make; does he give in and give up Borchard now and get Garcia for two extra months, or does he wait and see if he can get Garica cheaper in late July? Lots of choices... I don't think that's Kenny's choice.... Seattle is content to wait until more bidders come in. Sure he could sweeten the pot now, but he would no doubt overpaying for at most 8 extra starts. 5th starter to make 8 starts prior to trade deadline. 5 before ASB, and 4 around KW's previous trade day (July 1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 This makes me sick. :puke I don't know, the Mariners have said all along they want hitting, not pitching, they got good arms in the Minors and i don't htink they really would want Contreras It could be BS too, Could be the M's seeing who ants up more of an offer and overpays to keep the Yanks from getting Garcia Imagine Garcia in New York with all the Night Life....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Good to see Reed is untouchable. Damn straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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