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Seems like the traffic on here is down.

 

Maybe I'm just dazed, bored and gloomy on a sleepy Sunday, or

depressed we still can't prevent the Twinks from winning this

division ... but do you see any reason for real hope for our Sox next year?

 

We still are slow afoot. We have a lot of marginal players that

we're kind of excited about, who frankly aren't championship

quality (Uribe, Timo, Ben Davis, Burke, the guy playing ss

now), young guys like Crede and Borchard who have somwhat

disappointed.

Contreras doesn't look like he's all that and we know all about

Garland's inconsistencies, which means our starting staff

still has severe Q marks.

 

Oz we've learned apparently isn't a savior.

Maggs is aching and may be gone.

Hurt isn't getting any younger.

 

My question is ... can anybody cheer me up or do we look like a franchise

that has seen it's best days?

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Their is definately hope, but lets see what happens in the offseason. Sox seem to be preparing themselves for a busy offseason and have been giving a few hints that they got some ideas and a definate plan in mind. Attendance was up this year and JR and the other owners seem to be willing to up the payroll a bit.

 

I feel a lot better for the franchise today, then I did last year at the end of the season.

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here is what has me down.

 

The Twinkies have no more payroll than us. In fact, for most of the last four seasons, I would guess they have less.

 

They have lost Milton, Mays, Reed, Rogers, Guardado and Hawkins from their pitching staff over the last few years.

 

They have lost A.J., Mienky, Ortiz from their lineup over the last few years.

 

They have survived injuries to Mauer and Shannon Stewart this year.

 

And they still kick our butt -- relentlessly.

 

It's more than talent. It's total superiority as an organization.

 

And what is scary is they have more good young players coming -- and their GM knows how to put together a team.

 

It's hurts to say it, but it's the truth.

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1 New York Yankees $184,193,950

2 Boston Red Sox $127,298,500

3 Anaheim Angels $100,534,667

4 New York Mets $96,660,970

5 Philadelphia Phillies $93,219,167

6 Los Angeles Dodgers $92,902,001

7 Chicago Cubs $90,560,000

8 Atlanta Braves $90,182,500

9 St. Louis Cardinals $83,228,333

10 San Francisco Giants $82,019,166

11 Seattle Mariners $81,515,834

12 Houston Astros $75,397,000

13 Arizona Diamondbacks $69,780,750

14 Colorado Rockies $65,445,167

15 Chicago White Sox $65,212,500

16 Oakland Athletics $59,425,667

17 San Diego Padres $55,384,833

18 Texas Rangers $55,050,417

19 Minnesota Twins $53,585,000

20 Baltimore Orioles $51,623,333

21 Toronto Blue Jays $50,017,000

22 Kansas City Royals $47,609,000

23 Detroit Tigers $46,832,000

24 Cincinnati Reds $46,615,250

25 Florida Marlins $42,143,042

26 Montreal Expos $41,197,500

27 Cleveland Indians $34,319,300

28 Pittsburgh Pirates $32,227,929

29 Tampa Bay Devil Rays $29,556,667

30 Milwaukee Brewers $27,528,500

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25 Florida Marlins $42,143,042

 

All the more reason to root for the Marlins to win the Wild Card.

 

Back on topic, the reason my posts are down a bit is:

1. Busier at work/busier at home

2. Sox are frustrating right now, win or lose - when they play like they did today, it's depressing and when they win 8 of 11, the "too little too late" factor drives me nuts.

3. Lots of family events this month keeping me out of the house or busy otherwise

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Did Minnesota not have more payroll than us this season? I could have sworn they did.

Coming into this season, I believe so.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=chw

 

Total Team Salary : 68,262,500

 

But take off; Escobar, Garcia, Davis, Hairston, Sadler, Roberto, Carl, and 4.5 million for the difference between Loaiza's and Contreras' contracts, and you're left with $49,211,066

 

The Twins' roster is missing some people, but according to ESPN.com, their payroll is still higher.

$53,585,000

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=min

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OK, say the payrolls are essentially a wash.

 

They still do a better job of shedding players and replacing them, finding bargain bin pitchers and developing players in the minor leagues.

 

As long as the Sox are going to hardline guys on salary (which is fine with me) they HAVE to do a better job in player development.

 

The washout of most of our top pitching prospects have to end.

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here is what has me down.

 

The Twinkies have no more payroll than us. In fact, for most of the last four seasons, I would guess they have less.

 

They have lost Milton, Mays, Reed, Rogers, Guardado and Hawkins from their pitching staff over the last few years.

 

They have lost A.J., Mienky, Ortiz from their lineup over the last few years.

 

They have survived injuries to Mauer and Shannon Stewart this year.

 

And they still kick our butt -- relentlessly.

 

It's more than talent. It's total superiority as an organization.

 

And what is scary is they have more good young players coming -- and their GM knows how to put together a team.

 

It's hurts to say it, but it's the truth.

the key is, they have a gm who knows what he is doing.

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yes, they do.

 

Just does his job and doesn't run his mouth.

 

doesn't get the pub of Billy Beane or Epstein or even Kenny Williams, but for my money the guy (Terry Ryan) is as good as anybody in the American League.

 

He beat us in 2001 with one team -- and now he's reworked half that team and he's still beating us. Guy lost most of his bullpen and didn't miss a step.

 

I tip my cap to the Twinkies and shake my head at the Sox ineptitude.

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Im honestly ready to rebuild this team again. The first white flag trade left us all with a sour taste in our mouths, but I'd rather do that and develop and actual team, than try to buy a bunch of washed up vets (everett, alomar). Thats why minnesota is so good, they develop players, and when they want big contracts, they replace them with the next prospect. It would make alot of us happy to see our team be made up with people we have had in the organization for more than year

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agreed.

 

With both the previous two posts.

 

KW does like to see his name in the papers. Reinsdorf never talks so KW fills the vacuum.

 

Also agree that it's time to get away from the washed up vets.

 

We've traded five prospects for Carl Everett -- and now we're probably looking for a way to dump Everett. That's silly.

 

Roberto's tank is empty. So is Sandy's. So was Mike Jackson.

 

The problem we'll have building with young players is we don't have many (if any) ready for the bigs next season. We had nothing at Charlotte except Borchard -- and we know how that has worked out. The position players at Birmingham are at least a year away, the guys at Winston Salem two years away.

 

Unless we're going to get one big money free agent outfielder to replace Maggs, another pitcher and make some wise moves on some less expensive guys, we're not going to challenge Minnesota again next season either.

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here is a thought, how many players has minny depended on that came from the farm and that contributed???? now how many came from the sox???

 

i alway thought that the sox pitching phil was good in the lower level yet they look at what panned out. is the problem with the talent evulation and drafting or what

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off the top of my head

 

Twins home grown

 

Morneau

Rivas

Koskie

Ford

Hunter

Jones

Mauer

Cuddyer

Restovich

 

I'm not as certain about the pitchers.

 

I believe Radke is home grown. As are Balfour and Romero.

 

IMPORTS

 

Stewart from Toronto

 

Guzman from the Yankees

 

Santana came through their system, but was part of a complicated Rule Five deal involving the Marlins and Astros, I believe.

 

Nathan is from the Giants.

 

Lohse from the Cubs.

 

Silva from Philly, I believe.

 

Not sure about Rincon.

 

 

As for us

 

Homegrown

 

Crede

Rowand

Lee

Ordonez

Thomas

Borchard

Buehrle

 

 

Imports

 

R. Alomar

S. Alomar

Konerko -- Dodgers/Reds

Harris -- Orioles

Valentin -- Brewers

Davis -- Mariners/Padres

Everett -- Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, Astros, Expos, Rangers

Gload -- Cubs, Rockies, I believe

Uribe -- Rockies

Garcia -- Astros, Mariners

Contreras -- Yankees

Garland -- Cubs (that explains it)

Marte -- Yankees, Pirates

Politte -- Blue Jays, Phillies, I believe

Grilli -- Giants, Marlins.

Burke -- Angels

Takatsu -- Japan

Adkins -- As

Cotts - As

 

 

Subtract Thomas and Ordonez and the record is very, very lame.

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