October 16, 200421 yr According to this morning's Tribune, Marlins 3B Mike Lowell will likely become a free agent. 2004 stats, .293 27 hrs 85 rbis. A definite upgrade over Crede, (and he has played under Ozzie's coaching).
October 16, 200421 yr Author Lowell would be nice, but I'd rather spend that money somewhere else. Where? There aren't that many quality players out there that are within the Sox "price range".
October 16, 200421 yr IMHO, Lowell will probably command at least 9, probably 10 million. I'd rather put that going after a pitcher, or parts of to Omar Vizquel and a bullpen guy or two.
October 16, 200421 yr Sign Lowell, send Crede and Garland to Arizona for Randy Johnson. Crede and Garland for Randy Johnson. BWAHAHAHAHA.
October 16, 200421 yr within the Sox "price range". Do tell us exactly what that price range is, you seem to have inside information.
October 16, 200421 yr Author Do tell us exactly what that price range is, you seem to have inside information. It's the least that they can get away with and still draw "blind fans" AND turn a profit. Seriously, I don't know, you and Steff seem to be the experts on that. But, as Killa and Josh have also pointed out, we are sick of ownership "crying poor". For someone who took a $20 million investment and turned it into $250 million, ownership does seem to do it a lot.
October 16, 200421 yr It's the least that they can get away with and still draw "blind fans" AND turn a profit. Seriously, I don't know, you and Steff seem to be the experts on that. But, as Killa and Josh have also pointed out, we are sick of ownership "crying poor". For someone who took a $20 million investment and turned it into $250 million, ownership does seem to do it a lot. I agree, the we have to stay within our ( Fake price range ) is BS look at the Sox tickets prices the last 5 years, they do not even come close to the % spent on players as revenue recieved from price increases.
October 16, 200421 yr Author I agree, the we have to stay within our ( Fake price range ) is BS look at the Sox tickets prices the last 5 years, they do not even come close to the % spent on players as revenue recieved from price increases.
October 16, 200421 yr Sign Lowell, send Crede and Garland to Arizona for Randy Johnson. Hey - then let's swing another deal that sends Jose Contreras to the Giants for Jason Schmidt and Barry Bonds. Then let's trade Ross Gload for Albert Pujols and Jim Edmonds! Damn, we're gonna have an awesome lineup this year!
October 16, 200421 yr i have to agree. playing in the 3rd largest market, but spending like we are in the 33rd is getting old. the fans will come back with a vengance like before 94 if they go out and get a beltran and radke. i'm not 100% sure, but weren't we outdrawing the cubs back then by a wide margin?
October 16, 200421 yr Lowell would be ideal for the Sox. The Marlins have mistreated him for years. 8 million would be doable if they can deal Lee or Konerko. 8 mill at 3b is better than 8 mil at DH or 1b.
October 16, 200421 yr I agree, the we have to stay within our ( Fake price range ) is BS look at the Sox tickets prices the last 5 years, they do not even come close to the % spent on players as revenue recieved from price increases. I would go back and look at the Sox payroll in the late 90's and today, and try that statement again.
October 16, 200421 yr I would go back and look at the Sox payroll in the late 90's and today, and try that statement again. I said last 5 years not the whole late 90's and the % in price increases per year is greater than the % spent on players any of the last 5 years nothing to try again.
October 16, 200421 yr I wouldn't go after Mike Lowell. I think he's a great player (nice glove and bat) but I would spend the money on a shortstop, a starter, and a closer. Give Crede the job and see what he does with it. This is his last year though. it's put up or shut up for him. No more excuses.
October 16, 200421 yr I said last 5 years not the whole late 90's and the % in price increases per year is NOT greater than the % spent on players any of the last 5 years nothing to try again. um 5 years ago is the late 90's dude. Look down this page there is an XLS chart of all baseball teams payroll since 1977. 1999 the Sox payroll was about $25 million 2000 the Sox payroll was about $35 million 2004 the Sox payroll was about $65 million all according to the same site. So according to that math, ticket prices had to go up by 250ish% to match the payroll increases. At worst ticket prices have about doubled (or a 100% gain) since that time. http://roadsidephotos.com/baseball/data.htm Edited October 16, 200421 yr by southsider2k4
October 16, 200421 yr um 5 years ago is the late 90's dude. Look down this page there is an XLS chart of all baseball teams payroll since 1977. 1999 the Sox payroll was about $25 million 2000 the Sox payroll was about $35 million 2004 the Sox payroll was about $65 million all according to the same site. So according to that math, ticket prices had to go up by 250ish% to match the payroll increases. At worst ticket prices have about doubled (or a 100% gain) since that time. http://roadsidephotos.com/baseball/data.htm As a matter of a fact ticket prices have increased about 40% since 1999, according to the same web site. 1999 average ticket price $15.04 2004 average ticket price $21.56
October 16, 200421 yr Sign Lowell, send Crede and Garland to Arizona for Randy Johnson. Seriously, I'd bet they consider RJ for Garland and Crede + prospect(s). Aren't they dropping Hillenbrand?
October 16, 200421 yr Seriously, I'd bet they consider RJ for Garland and Crede + prospects. Aren't they dropping Hillenbrand? No chance -- by all accounts, the Diamondbacks weren't looking to get rid of RJ until he announced that he'd rather leave. He's a big draw for them, and the reports were that the ownership believes they can compete next year if they have Sexson. To let him go they'd have to get some premier prospects, at least, not Garland and Crede. Plus, RJ'd have to okay the trade, and it didn't sound as if he was interested in the Sox this past season. Edit: Btw, Hillenbrand was mostly a 1b last season, so they're hoping to replace him w/ Sexson.
October 16, 200421 yr No chance -- by all accounts, the Diamondbacks weren't looking to get rid of RJ until he announced that he'd rather leave. He's a big draw for them, and the reports were that the ownership believes they can compete next year if they have Sexson. To let him go they'd have to get some premier prospects, at least, not Garland and Crede. Plus, RJ'd have to okay the trade, and it didn't sound as if he was interested in the Sox this past season. Edit: Btw, Hillenbrand was mostly a 1b last season, so they're hoping to replace him w/ Sexson. They are gonna need a s*** load more talent than sexon back to compete in that division. Even if they did have their best hitter out for the majority of the season. it is not very common for 111 loss team to come back the next season and compete.
October 16, 200421 yr Lowell won't likely become a FA. The Marlins can trade him before Nov. 1st. If they do so, Lowell would be signed for 3 yrs and $25 mill to the team he's traded to. Instead of signing Lowell as a FA, the Sox could trade for him. If Lowell is a leader, like he's talked about being, the sox are short on those, and Ozzie has like what he's seen in him, go for it. The cost might only be Crede, a prospect and a reserve [like Borchard or Timo Perez]. Crede is valuable, and fits in with FLA. They have guys set to make $75 mill and need to get team salary down to under $60 mill. FLA is likely to get less for Lowell than market value, as they only have two weeks to make a deal. Yet if they don't trade him, they'd only get 2 comp. picks. Check the link here, Lowell thinks he's gone. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-low...la-sports-front If the Sox got Lowell, they likely would only need to add a SS like Vizquel, and fix the pitching. With a trade of Lee, his salary would be doable. The key is, is Lowell a leader? If he is, the sox should do it. Crede may turn out OK [i think he will]. Yet the sox have too many question marks and need some position players who will be around for a few years.
October 16, 200421 yr Edit: Btw, Hillenbrand was mostly a 1b last season, so they're hoping to replace him w/ Sexson. Ya, i think hillenbrand in gonna get moved this off-season because from what i have read the diamond backs are pretty high on chad tracy.
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