November 22, 200421 yr He'll make over $4 mill a yr in 05 and 06 That is not overpaying if he can pitch around a 4.30 era or so, which he is capable of.
November 23, 200421 yr I have to agree with qwerty on this one. If I'm Littlefield, Garland plus Honel or Munoz looks like a fairly attractive offer to me...if I don't have to pay for any of Kendall's salary. If I had to pay a third to a half of his salary, I'd probably look to also get someone like Cotts or Adkins out of the deal.
November 23, 200421 yr Kenny is going to have to get aggressive, and I have confidence that he will. If he pieces the right deal together, Kendall can still end up a Chicago White Stocking. He may overpay, but it still could get done. Careful there. the White Stockings is former name used by the franchise that is now known as The Cubs (aka The Pinheads)!!!!!!!! :fthecubs
November 23, 200421 yr That is not overpaying if he can pitch around a 4.30 era or so, which he is capable of. He's capable of that ERA in the NL but not the AL
November 23, 200421 yr But if I'm a cost-conscious GM, I'm pretty scared by the thought that Garland has a fluke good year, and becomes too expensive to keep, and too unstable to sign. Redman does give you some cost certainty, and he's been pretty reliable. I must have skipped over this. Say Garland is traded and has a good year in Pitt. If he's a FA after the yr [i don't know if this is true or not] and Pitt. probably can't afford what his agent is asking for. Around the deadline, and the Bucs are out of it, they can put Garland on the block, like they did with Benson. Teams will overpay for a guy having a breakout yr, with a lower NL ERA coming from the AL and his higher ERA. But would they overpay for a Redman having an average yr in the 4.70 era range? Not likely.
November 23, 200421 yr I must have skipped over this. Say Garland is traded and has a good year in Pitt. If he's a FA after the yr [i don't know if this is true or not] and Pitt. probably can't afford what his agent is asking for. Around the deadline, and the Bucs are out of it, they can put Garland on the block, like they did with Benson. Teams will overpay for a guy having a breakout yr, with a lower NL ERA coming from the AL and his higher ERA. But would they overpay for a Redman having an average yr in the 4.70 era range? Not likely. Eh, I don't know about these numbers you're throwing out here -- you suggest Benson was having a breakout year, but he had an era of 4.22 when he was traded. Which is pretty close to what you said Redman could do in the NL (4.3). Yet here he has a 4.7.... Benson still has this #1 overall pick buzz -- I wouldn't count on quite the same return for Garland, even though he's probably just as good a pitcher. And NY was desperate. Last few days shows they still are.
November 23, 200421 yr Eh, I don't know about these numbers you're throwing out here -- you suggest Benson was having a breakout year, but he had an era of 4.22 when he was traded. Which is pretty close to what you said Redman could do in the NL (4.3). Yet here he has a 4.7.... Benson still has this #1 overall pick buzz -- I wouldn't count on quite the same return for Garland, even though he's probably just as good a pitcher. And NY was desperate. Last few days shows they still are. Benson did have a "breakout year"---for him anyway. He was one of the biggest SP's out there teams wanted to get at the deadline [who knows why, but he was wanted by a lot of teams]. My point was Garland could post an ERA under 4.00 and teams would drool over him like they did Benson if Pitt. put him on the block to get a return on their investment if they couldn't or wouldn't sign him to a long term contract
November 23, 200421 yr Benson did have a "breakout year"---for him anyway. He was one of the biggest SP's out there teams wanted to get at the deadline [who knows why, but he was wanted by a lot of teams]. My point was Garland could post an ERA under 4.00 and teams would drool over him like they did Benson if Pitt. put him on the block to get a return on their investment if they couldn't or wouldn't sign him to a long term contract I just don't think Garland has quite the same 'following', for whatever the reason. Maybe it's Anna, I don't know. Still, that's not a best-case, but at least a pretty good-case scenario for Garland. If he's got a 4.70 era (not unimaginable), or a 5, you get little in a trade, and not much relief in arbitration -- maybe he's non-tendered. If you have Redman, you have a pretty consistent guy, you figure he averages 4.5 in the NL over the next 2 seasons. It's boring, but that stability might be worth the extra cost, which isn't too much.
November 23, 200421 yr Kris Benson is singlehandedly the most over-rated pitcher in baseball. The Mets were morons for giving up the prospects they did to get him from Pittsburgh and the Mets were even bigger morons for giving him a 3 year deal worth a little more then 7 million a year.
November 23, 200421 yr Kris Benson is singlehandedly the most over-rated pitcher in baseball. The Mets were morons for giving up the prospects they did to get him from Pittsburgh and the Mets were even bigger morons for giving him a 3 year deal worth a little more then 7 million a year. Absolutely correct! I was stunned when I saw the $$$ the Mets gave him. Its absurd. #1 overall pick or not, he has not merited that type of deal at this point in his career, not even close.
November 23, 200421 yr you guys notice after that omar vizquel deal and KW said he was mad that news got out that he was one of their targeted guys we really havent heard much of anything of what we are going after...So i expect a complete shocking move from him and anyone thats close to being on the trading block is a possibility when we are talking about the one known as Kenny Williams... This offseason can be very exciting or very boring like last year but KW is so damn unpredictable at times that its almost useless to go off of rumors involved with the white sox.
November 23, 200421 yr He's capable of that ERA in the NL but not the AL He had a 4.21 era with detroit and pitched 2-3 innings. I think he is more than capable of doing that again.
November 23, 200421 yr I still cream my pants at the thought of having Kendall on this team. He fills so many holes on this team all in once. He'll maybe he can ever DH on the days he doesn't catch (Thomas instead of Gload at 1B those games maybe.)
November 23, 200421 yr It's seems to me that Garland should have more trade value than Benson had at the deadline. Benson had been iffy health and performance wise. Yet Garland has at least proven he could be a solid inning eater, has stayed healthy, plus has the potential to be a good ML pitcher.
November 23, 200421 yr all i can say is im glad im not the GM of the sox heh i would have a very hard time trading garland as i think he is right now one of the best #5 starters in the leauge. he also has the potential to break out and show us what we have all been waiting for. i would just be hard pressed to trade that away and open another hole in our rotation. not having a solid starter at the back end of our rotation as we do now is hard enough... having TWO gaping holes in the rotation would be even harder our biggest need right now IMO is to get a front end starter ( a #2 or #3 starter ) without trading any pitching.... getting a free agent would be ideal.. then trading paul konerko for someone with a high OBP hopefully it will happen like this, but i doubt it will
November 24, 200421 yr A's/Pirates Trade Don't know how reliable Ken Rosenthal is, but he said the trade is done pending physicals and Kendall waiving his clause. However, Oakland may now have to unload one of their big 3.
November 24, 200421 yr That is not that good of a deal for the Pirates, imo. Great deal by Billy Beane though.
November 24, 200421 yr ****It is unclear whether the A's would keep Kendall or trade him to another team, possibly the Dodgers. But the Dodgers, seeking to re-sign free-agent third baseman Adrian Beltre and add starting pitching, may want to address other needs before catcher. If a deal goes down, there could be some chance of us getting Kendall. I dont know if we would deal with Oakland, or we would have what they want. The athletics intention is to keep him from every thing i have read. They would not give up one of the big three if they were not.
November 24, 200421 yr A's/Pirates Trade Don't know how reliable Ken Rosenthal is, but he said the trade is done pending physicals and Kendall waiving his clause. However, Oakland may now have to unload one of their big 3. I knew we weren't getting him.
November 24, 200421 yr Damn. Who are we going to get? I have no idea at this point. I've just got a feeling we're not gonna be too pleased with this off season. I hope i'm wrong though.
November 24, 200421 yr I have no idea at this point. I've just got a feeling we're not gonna be too pleased with this off season. I hope i'm wrong though. That is the feeling I am starting to get as all the guys we are targeting are not really going to come here.
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