qwerty Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 If anyone backs up ozzie they should be suspended for a while to think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 phew that was one escape job pulled by the pale hose tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traydragen Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Good game Jon/Hermy/Uribe/Rowand :headshake Shingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Hermanson, huge, absolutely huge tonight bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Can't wait to hear how Ozzie answers questions in the postgame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Hermanson is the closer from now on. If Ozzie uses Shingo for anything else but serving chop suey from now on he's a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 THERE ARE NO EXCUSES FOR NOT MAKING HERMANSON THE CLOSER NONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traydragen Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Hermanson is the closer from now on. If Ozzie uses Shingo for anything else but serving chop suey from now on he's a moron. THERE ARE NO EXCUSES FOR NOT MAKING HERMANSON THE CLOSER NONE Agree annnnndddd Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan79 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Oh great the Sox face Cy Young Franklin tommorow this guy kills us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Am I missing something, or was Ozzie pitching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Chop suey is Chinese, isn't it?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traydragen Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Am I missing something, or was Ozzie pitching? No, but he did use our 4 best relievers in a span of 3 innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Holy friggin heart attack! Only 152 games to go. I still hold the ball players more responsible than Ozzie. Let's take the series tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Apr 15, 2005 -> 09:50 PM) Am I missing something, or was Ozzie pitching? Can ozzie use his bulpen correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Apr 16, 2005 -> 02:50 AM) Am I missing something, or was Ozzie pitching? He still used Marte for one inning, and brought out Vizcaino for a second inning of work -- both were poor choices. I won't b**** about it, because I wasn't talking about it before the fact, but (IMHO) he should have started out Marte for that last inning to face Ichiro-Reed-Beltre-Ibanez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Apr 16, 2005 -> 02:50 AM) Am I missing something, or was Ozzie pitching? No, Ozzie does not pitch. Ozzie does not hit. So really he does nothing and has nothing to do with the game. It's a waste to pay him, I nominate Crede as player-manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Did Ozzie learn anything this week? 1) Never ever pitch Vizcaino more than 1 inning. (He's had this lesson twice) 2) Stop using Marte for just 1 batter with RON or RISP. 3) Stop using Cotts to relieve starters. 4) Use Shingo to start 9th, or finish 9th but not in a RISP sit. 5) Use Hermanson whenever the game is on the line but try to save him to close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traydragen Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 No, Ozzie does not pitch. Ozzie does not hit. So really he does nothing and has nothing to do with the game. It's a waste to pay him, I nominate Crede as player-manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Apr 15, 2005 -> 10:53 PM) Did Ozzie learn anything this week? 1) Never ever pitch Vizcaino more than 1 inning. (He's had this lesson twice) 2) Stop using Marte for just 1 batter with RON or RISP. 3) Stop using Cotts to relieve starters. 4) Use Shingo to start 9th, or finish 9th but not in a RISP sit. 5) Use Hermanson whenever the game is on the line but try to save him to close. I dunno. 1) He looked sharp. To me, 2 lessons is statistically insignificant. 2) How many times have we seen an all or nothing Marte. As soon as he does the unthinkable and allows a runner without the guy earning it, I am happy he's lifted. 3) So is he supposed to only relieve himself? (Excuse the conjured up images). 4) It just seemed it was one of those nothing Shingo days. I don't think it would have mattered who he faced, beginning or end. 5) Just clone the guy! He doesn't care what situation he comes into. Early. Late. Lefty or righty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Hermanson's been great, no doubt. But that's 4 appearances, and he's now Brad Lidge??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 (edited) http://baseball.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/pitc...Type=2&type=std This isn't rocket science. Vizcaino is a 1 inning / 15 pitch guy. He's not a 2 inning guy. There is nothing this year or last year to suggest he is. Yet Ozzie continues to try & use him in that role. It's moronic. Politte, Marte, & Hermanson are your best guys in the pen right now. These are the guys who have the numbers to back them up as being 2 inning guys. Politte the least of the 3. Shingo has never been anything more than a 1 inning / 15 pitch guy. His numbers make him one of the best 15 pitch guys in the game. But he's clearly having control problems this year & that's probably why where not seeing much of the frisbee. You have to be able to throw it for strikes. Cotts is the guy you don't use unless he's mopping up for a short bad start, or the SOX are blowing someone out. When Ozzie learns this & starts managing wrt it we might start getting more fans as the surgeon general would downgrade the risk of heart attack. Edited April 16, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Apr 15, 2005 -> 10:02 PM) I dunno. 2) How many times have we seen an all or nothing Marte. As soon as he does the unthinkable and allows a runner without the guy earning it, I am happy he's lifted. 3) So is he supposed to only relieve himself? (Excuse the conjured up images). Marte is not a damn left handed specialist. Cotts is a mop up reliever nothing more at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Do we still have Walker? Let's bring him up & send Cotts down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 I guess I'd be pissed if Ozzie threw Neil Cotts out there to close the game out. He didn't do exactly what I'd like him to do at the end there, but I'm more concerned that some of our best relievers looked shaky out there. Yes, Shingo looked like s*** and in hindsight, it would have been better if we went straight to Hermanson. But up until now, Shingo is our closer and one bad outing (prior to tonight) shouldn't have changed that. If this were later in the season, I'd be the first to get in the "grill Ozzie" line. But now, it appears that he's trying to get a feel for who can handle what situation. I think that with another outing or two like this, Ozzie won't hesitate to go to Hermanson for closing duties; just as he was fairly quick to move to Shingo last year when it was obvious that Koch couldn't handle it. But, I'm sure we can disagree on this all night. I'm just happy we got another win. Here's to that! (Qwerty, does this mean I'm getting banned?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Apr 16, 2005 -> 03:08 AM) Do we still have Walker? Let's bring him up & send Cotts down. LOL, Walker. He's garbage, and worse than Cotts. Bum is a word I throw around a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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