CWSGuy406 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 30, 2005 -> 01:38 AM) An unreliable reliever and a prospect for a top 5 closer in baseball? That's not so tough. For a guy who's going to pitch, at most, 40 innings down the stretch? Again... I'm not so sure. BTW, though Marte is still struggling, he's still striking out over ten per nine IP. He's been wild, but for the most part, has been able to overcome his wildness by his stuff. It's a tough call. I'm glad I'm not the GM. Personally, I'd rather overpay for a bat -- someone who's going to effect this team every day, rather than once every three nights... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 08:34 PM) Ick. I hate deadline deals for relief pitchers. They could really come back to bite you in the rear-end, especially if you're giving up a future position player/starting pitcher. Marte and McCarthy for Wagner? Sheesh... that's a tough call. I'd say I'm more against dealing for a MR @ the deadling then a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 08:47 PM) For a guy who's going to pitch, at most, 40 innings down the stretch? Again... I'm not so sure. BTW, though Marte is still struggling, he's still striking out over ten per nine IP. He's been wild, but for the most part, has been able to overcome his wildness by his stuff. It's a tough call. I'm glad I'm not the GM. Personally, I'd rather overpay for a bat -- someone who's going to effect this team every day, rather than once every three nights... shortening the game would do wonders for us. especially w/ hermy's back. We need some depth in the front end of that BP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Tracey, Viz and Sweeney for Wagner would be more balanced, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 08:13 PM) sounds too easy. I just don't see that being enough for the Phils unless they want to use Mac for Burnett on their own. If it was that easy, this deal woulda been done a week ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 While i absolutely despise giving up McCarthy for a rental, atleast we'll be dealing him for the far-and-away best rental that's available. As we've discussed to no end on Soxtalk, Wagner would have a real impact on this Sox team and this deal epitomizes the idea that you have to trade the future for the now. Now if we could somehow pull Vizquel from SF, we'd have a very successful trade season, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 McCarthy is what he is, a prospect right now. Marte, while proven, has been overworked the past few seasons and is not the same pitcher this season. If this deal is available, you do it, with this season in mind. Wagner would be here the rest of the season, then he'd be gone. But we'd also be able to shift Hermanson, Cotts and Politte down into the 7th and 8th inning roles with a horse at the back of the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 how serious is hermy back injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(hi8is @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 07:51 PM) how serious is hermy back injury? On the Score today Cooper said it is completely allright now, and it's something that flares up a few times a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 09:50 PM) McCarthy is what he is, a prospect right now. Marte, while proven, has been overworked the past few seasons and is not the same pitcher this season. If this deal is available, you do it, with this season in mind. Wagner would be here the rest of the season, then he'd be gone. But we'd also be able to shift Hermanson, Cotts and Politte down into the 7th and 8th inning roles with a horse at the back of the pen. If all works well... Jenks could also be in that mix in '06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 08:47 PM) For a guy who's going to pitch, at most, 40 innings down the stretch? Again... I'm not so sure. BTW, though Marte is still struggling, he's still striking out over ten per nine IP. He's been wild, but for the most part, has been able to overcome his wildness by his stuff. It's a tough call. I'm glad I'm not the GM. Personally, I'd rather overpay for a bat -- someone who's going to effect this team every day, rather than once every three nights... Marte has been able to overcome his wildness because another reliever cleans his mess up for him. Trading McCarthy doesn't mean we can't get another trade for a bat. If the Phillies are willing to do this deal, I'd run with it in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 07:47 PM) For a guy who's going to pitch, at most, 40 innings down the stretch? Again... I'm not so sure. BTW, though Marte is still struggling, he's still striking out over ten per nine IP. He's been wild, but for the most part, has been able to overcome his wildness by his stuff. It's a tough call. I'm glad I'm not the GM. Personally, I'd rather overpay for a bat -- someone who's going to effect this team every day, rather than once every three nights... 40 innings that you know will be shutdown innings. 40 innings could mean 30 saves from Wagner. The guy is unbelievable. Rivera is kind of an important piece on the Yankees. Imagine that on our club. Wagner is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 08:50 PM) Wagner would be here the rest of the season, then he'd be gone. Are we sure that's true? I mean, he might re-sign if the team is good enough to interest him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 30, 2005 -> 01:52 AM) Marte has been able to overcome his wildness because another reliever cleans his mess up for him. Trading McCarthy doesn't mean we can't get another trade for a bat. If the Phillies are willing to do this deal, I'd run with it in a heartbeat. How so? Who becomes our main chip if we do a deal with McCarthy? Anderson -- meh. He's good, but I doubt he's going to net the bat we need. Tracey? Not a chance. Sweeney? Eh -- he's putting up decent numbers, albeit in a pitcher's park, but I'm sure the lack of power is pretty discouraging. I'm just thinking that overpaying for a bat would be a better option than overpaying for a bullpen arm. I'm not as against this as I seem to be, just more, unsure -- that's a better word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 08:56 PM) How so? Who becomes our main chip if we do a deal with McCarthy? Anderson -- meh. He's good, but I doubt he's going to net the bat we need. Tracey? Not a chance. Sweeney? Eh -- he's putting up decent numbers, albeit in a pitcher's park, but I'm sure the lack of power is pretty discouraging. I'm just thinking that overpaying for a bat would be a better option than overpaying for a bullpen arm. I'm not as against this as I seem to be, just more, unsure -- that's a better word. put a few of those guys together that you mentioned and they'll have a deal. I'm sorry for all you minors guys, but this is OUR year. This is our best chance to do it since 93. Overpay, it'll be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I don't buy this at all. Phillies are in the race for the WC, and they've been telling their fans they won't trade Wagner. I'm calling BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 08:56 PM) How so? Who becomes our main chip if we do a deal with McCarthy? Anderson -- meh. He's good, but I doubt he's going to net the bat we need. Tracey? Not a chance. Sweeney? Eh -- he's putting up decent numbers, albeit in a pitcher's park, but I'm sure the lack of power is pretty discouraging. I'm just thinking that overpaying for a bat would be a better option than overpaying for a bullpen arm. I'm not as against this as I seem to be, just more, unsure -- that's a better word. I'm sure KW could throw a deal together using 2 or 3 of those prospects...hell, maybe even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 08:58 PM) I don't buy this at all. Phillies are in the race for the WC, and they've been telling their fans they won't trade Wagner. I'm calling BS. they need starters, bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jul 30, 2005 -> 02:00 AM) they need starters, bad. McCarthy in Philadelphia would have no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) McCarthy in Philadelphia would have no chance. but whose to say they don't turn around and trade mcarthy to another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 08:01 PM) McCarthy in Philadelphia would have no chance. With his past 3 starts, let's hope they don't think that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 30, 2005 -> 01:58 AM) I don't buy this at all. Phillies are in the race for the WC, and they've been telling their fans they won't trade Wagner. I'm calling BS. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How are they giving up? They have Marte in the pen to replace Wagner and they have Urbina to close. They gain a top level pitching prospect which they desperately need for someone who was going to leave after the season. They lost nothing in their eyes and gained a top oitchign prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted July 30, 2005 Author Share Posted July 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 09:58 PM) I don't buy this at all. Phillies are in the race for the WC, and they've been telling their fans they won't trade Wagner. I'm calling BS. The Phillies will lose him regardless...plus with the comments he's recently made, he's not very liked right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Can Hermy pitch three days in a row for more than one inning on some games during the playoffs? Nope. Can Billy? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 There's a huge difference between Wagner and Marte. I like Marte, but he's not throwing the ball well at all this season. Wagner is the type of closer you need in the launching pad they play in. I do agree with the thought that McCarthy could be used to get AJB then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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